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The truths concerning marriage and family are parallel to the truths of God's creation therefore, what are our SPIRITUAL FAULT LINES? Are we even aware of our Spiritual fault lines? We all have them. It has been suggested that: Marriage does not create "bad people." "YET"
Many of you have written to me saying there is much confusion concerning "THE" remarriage, "AFTER" a divorce. It is also noteworthy to say to you,
Universally, the stated reason for the confusion is: "Christian marriage -- within the Christian Church --
and lived by the 20th. and 21st. century Christian community
is entirely different than what our early Church history
teaches us and what we read --- in the Word of God."
Sadly, "many pastors
are
deeply buried...spiritual fault lines."
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I had a long discussion with a local Pastor of a Fundamental Baptist Church [a man my own age] who is struggling and has struggled for years with the issue of the Born Again and their remarriages while they have a living, divorced spouse. He admitted that his struggle isn't with the clarity of the Word of God, his personal struggle is that a sister, who he loves dearly, is divorced and remarried and her divorced husband is yet living. Out of that discussion the Lord laid it on my heart to simplify this issue by succinctly reviewing our Lord's long history concerning marriage and His Children. DIVORCE and REMARRIAGE SIMPLIFIED Question:
Are you a Born Again Christian? And, you know that
and you're sure that you are Born Again? [1] God's Word, 1 Peter 2:9, instructs us that Born Again Christians are a "Royal Priesthood": "But you are a chosen race, a Royal Priesthood, a dedicated nation, [God's] own purchased, special people, that you may set forth the wonderful deeds and display the virtues and perfections of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light". (Amplified Bible) [2] Our Priesthood as the Body of Jesus Christ is patterned after the Priesthood of God's Children, the Nation of Israel: Exodus 19:5-6, “Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. [6] And you shall be to Me a Kingdom of Priests and a holy nation.' These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.” (NKJV) [3] The Old Testament was written for our, New Testament Believer's, knowledge, example and admonition, not to be discarded or ignored: Romans 15:4, "For whatever things were written
before were written for our learning, that we
through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures
might have hope".
(NKJV) [4] Because we are a "Royal Priesthood" & "Dedicated Nation" patterned after the Old Testament Nation of Israel "Kingdom of Priests" and "Holy Nation" -- doesn't it make sense that as such we should abide by the same rules for marriage by which the normal Daily Priests, not the High Priest, were regulated? Ezekiel 44:22, “Neither shall they take for their wives a widow or a woman separated or divorced from her husband; but they shall marry maidens [who are virgins] of the offspring of the house of Israel or a widow previously married to a priest.” (Amplified Bible) As a truly Born Again Christian, Jesus Christ of the New Testament clearly teaches us that we are Normal, Everyday -- Daily Priests: (When was the last time a Pastor taught you this truth? We should be reminded regularly if not weekly.) **The Normal Daily Priest was not to marry a separated or divorced woman; ---------- Compare with Romans 7:2-3 ---------- Romans 7:2-3, "For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man." **The Normal Daily Priest was only to marry virgins of the Nation of Israel; ---------- Compare with 2 Corinthians 6:14 ---------- 2 Corinthians 6:14, "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?" **The Normal Daily Priest could marry the widow of a Priest. ---------- Compare with 1 Corinthians 7:39 ---------- 1 Corinthians 7:39, "A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord." Dear Christian, what separates us from false religions, the cults and the unsaved is that by our personal faith that is based upon the written Word of God and the leadership of His Holy Spirit Who lives within us, we believe: 1- that Jesus Christ is God, John 1:1. 2- As God, He never changes, Malachi 3:6; Hebrews 13:8. 3-
Because He (God / Jesus Christ) never changes, it is
very safe to conclude that the same marriage parameters
that God / Jesus Christ established for the every
day, Daily Priests of the Nation of Israel are the
same marriage parameters for us, the Household of Jesus Christ, the Bride of
Christ and His dedicated nation. This
truth creates for us a "safe, sure and simple"
example and pattern to follow. It removes the
questions that modern day and fallen theology has
created. Only 13
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I- With
the Lord's leading, I am attempting to: 1- The first section is, "obvious
reasons" that are causing confusion: **My first personal experience with this issue as a Pastor.
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reasons
"Christian" husbands and wives give for
their remarriages which, 2- The second section is, "subtle ERRORS" that are major reasons for confusion:
The doctrinal errors which, when compared
with the Word
of God, are clearly visible
spiritual fault lines. (spiritual earthquake) 3- The third section is the
"Word of God,
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II-
FAMILY and CHURCH
DISCIPLINE (repairing and eliminating the spiritual Note: If you are divorced and remarried and your divorced spouse is still living, you hold "in your own hands" the keys to reconciliation with those who you love and who love you. III- The Born Again divorced Christian: The Born Again -- divorced Christian -- has a "God Ordained" ministry that only they can do with real empathy and enthusiasm. (2 Corinthians 1:2-4) IV- The - Born Again divorced and remarried couple:
Divorced and remarried couples have potential for a
tremendous "God Ordained ministry" that
only they will be able to do with genuine empathy
and enthusiasm A
personal note of warning FOR divorced and remarried
couples: PLEASE THOROUGHLY READ THIS SECTION --
don't simply look at this " section title"
and think, "Praise the Lord. I
knew we had a ministry!" Yes,
you certainly do have a potential
ministry but your -- potential
ministry -- will come at a very high, long
term personal price. The 21st. century Christian Church approach and ministry to the divorced and remarried is no different than our ministry to any other Christian in any other situation. VI- The
RESPONSIBILITIES of the Parents, Siblings,
Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles
**What
should Parents and Grandparents do when an
adult child or grandchild
**The author's
counsel from personal experience to (page link)
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VII- OTHER links that are of great
value, strengthening the foundations of our Creation
and Biblical Doctrine: Financial:
Many marriages crack due to financial distress: Prophecy:
Our nation and Christian community needs a wake-up
call: VIII- We can
learn a great
deal from
floods, tornados and
hurricanes to strengthen **The United States Geological Survey
Department http://neic.usgs.gov/ Psalm 19:1-3; 29:1-11, "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork. [2] Day unto day utters speech, and night unto night shows knowledge. [3] There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. [29:1] "The voice of the Lord is over the waters; The God of glory thunders; The Lord is over many waters. [4] The voice of the Lord is powerful; The voice of the Lord is full of majesty. [5] The voice of the Lord breaks the cedars, Yes, the Lord splinters the cedars of Lebanon. [6] He makes them also skip like a calf, Lebanon and Sirion like a young wild ox. [7] The voice of the Lord divides the flames of fire. [8] The voice of the Lord shakes the wilderness; The Lord shakes the Wilderness of Kadesh. [9] The voice of the Lord makes the deer give birth, And strips the forests bare; And in His temple everyone says, "Glory!" [10] The Lord sat enthroned at the Flood, And the Lord sits as King forever. [11] The Lord will give strength to His people; The Lord will bless His people with peace." |
"Roads to certain disaster" Isaiah 3:12b Three
very important verses to think about as you read this section Over the past 30 years I have heard the following comments from Pastor after Pastor from Michigan to Florida; from Florida to Arizona; from Arizona to Washington State and Washington State to New York. The following quotes are not hearsay but are quotes from personal conversations I have had with Senior Pastors and Assistant Pastors. The following comments certainly reveal deeply buried... spiritual fault lines: **A
number of years ago a Pastor
in a neighboring city thought it would be very helpful if my wife and I became
members of his ministry and gave him a helping hand. Before joining his
ministry I gave him my "Philosophy of Ministry" manuscript that gives
great detail about our convictions concerning divorce and divorce / remarriage.
After several months of helping the ministry by teaching a singles and married
couples class, one of the deacons called and asked to meet with me. He started
the conversation by telling me that he was divorced and remarried and "he
was very sure that my wife and I were not aware of his situation." He
also wanted us to know that at the next annual business meeting, of the five men
to be considered for the "Office of Deacon," three were divorced men
whose divorced wives were still living and that two of those men would certainly
be elected. The majority of the Deacon's Board would be divorced and remarried men whose divorced wives were still living. Question:
Did this Pastor say that
he had changed his mind about what the
**"Brother, if I preached Romans 7:2-4, and 1 Corinthians 7:39, I wouldn't have a church left." Question:
Did this Pastor say that
he had changed his mind about what the **"When I graduated from Seminary I didn't agree with divorce and remarriage while a divorced spouse was still alive..."but" ...the Church that called me had those folks as members." Question:
Did this Pastor say that
he had changed his mind about what the **"When I graduated from Seminary I didn't agree with divorce and remarriage while a divorced spouse was still alive..."but" ...all of the other men in my area [conference, denomination, association etc.] are doing it." Question:
Did this Pastor say that
he had changed his mind about what the **"When I graduated from Seminary I didn't agree with divorce/remarriage while a divorced spouse was still alive..."but" the members of my congregation told me over and over again that Dr. Herb Vander Lugt, Radio Bible Class, Dr. Charles Swindoll and Dr. James Dobson, Focus on the Family all teach that God's mercy and grace covers this." Question:
Did this Pastor say that
he had changed his mind about what the
**Dr. James
Dobson While living in Lakewood, Colorado, I drove to Dr. Dobson's headquarters in Colorado Springs just to talk with or personally schedule an appointment to speak with him. I was unable to speak with anyone other than his Administrators and Directors. His Administrators and directors were polite, knew his position, had my position document in hand because I had previously sent a copy and I also handed them a copy as I stood there concerning remarriage. I was refused permission to meet with him then or make any future appointments. The reason for the previous letter and booklet was that his Director had written to me: "Dr. Dobson isn't a theologian, he's a psychologist. He has deferred his position concerning remarriage to Dr. Swindoll who is a theologian." When
I read his explanation over 20 years ago, my thought then and still remains the same today,
"what an incredible admission. Dr. Dobson's whole
radio, television, seminar, authored books
and booklet ministries are theologically founded and
known as a 'family ministry'". Folks, each and every one of us live with and experience God's Biblical "Law of the Harvest"...law. I love Dr. Dobson and Focus on the Family. It isn't my desire to "throw the baby out with the bath water" though -- I must confess to you -- I have lost confidence in his and their integrity. The lesson and reality is that he is now another example of what happens when we teach and allow ourselves to believe any inaccurate doctrine (heresy). God initiated His eternal "Law of the Harvest" (Read Genesis chapter 3) at the very beginning of creation and He warns us to: "Keep
your heart with all diligence, for out of it spring the issues of
life." What is the law of the harvest? 1- We reap what we sow, i.e., we
plant corn and we reap corn; Because we reap what we plant at a much later time and date than when the sin was sown, we very often feel blindsided {Why did this happen to me?) by the results of our sins. Consider Ryan Dobson, Dr. Dobson and Focus on the Family and their present situation for our understanding: In the Spring of Dr. Dobson's ministry he asked for, accepted and followed Dr. Swindoll's counsel. For many years (the following seasons), Dr. Swindoll, Dr. Dobson and Focus on the Family have continued teaching the heresy that there are exceptions to God's marriage commands. Now it is the Fall years of Dr. Dobson's ministry and -- Ryan Dobson, his son -- has followed his Dad's doctrine and not the Lord's and has remarried in total disobedience to the Word of God. Do we now understand the law of the harvest? Please consider rule #2, "we always reap more than we sow," i.e., they are now teaching to all who know them and sit under their ministries that divorce and remarriage is acceptable with God. Can anyone possibly know how many have in the past and will, in the future, divorce and remarry in violation of the Word of God due to Dr. Dobson's teaching and Ryan Dobson's example? Questions: **Parents, do we really want to destroy a marriage and the
lives within our The New Testament Scriptures were written in Koiné Greek, which was the common, everyday, working people's -- Greek language. The Word of God isn't written so that only Doctors of Theology can understand it but is "God's text book" and "God's manual" for-and-to the common, everyday working person, you and me. Our easy-to-read Bible clearly teaches the Biblical permanence and sanctity / holiness of marriage. That this Doctor {who is a University graduate with a doctoral degree] is entrusting the very foundation of his total ministry to the thoughts and convictions of some other man and -- hasn't trusted his own personal Lord to correctly direct his personal convictions for his own ministry is a serious violation of 1 John 2:26-27, "These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. [27] But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him." If
you take nothing else away from this page, please take this: Second hand theology -- is -- like second hand gossip. The information -- is -- never the same at the end as it started and -- it is -- always distorted and damaged information. **Dr. Herb Vander Lugt (Because of my respect for Dr. Vander Lugt, for almost four years I posted the Daily Bread Tribute for him at this point of the Lord's and my page. I've removed it.) VERY
IMPORTANT NOTE: I have in my files the lengthy October of 1999 email discussion with Dr. Herb Vander Lugt of the Radio Bible Class, who, at that time was a leading Christian radio and publications minister. He wrote to me (and I have his email on file) that he didn't disagree with the texts or verses that I provided or -- the conclusions that I presented to him. He continued with that he had difficulty... with a "hard and fast" interpretation of the Word of God ...because he felt that anything beyond praying for these folks and accepting divorce and remarriage as a fact of life in today's society was... in his opinion (verbatim and not my addition)..."too harsh". When I asked him if he was telling me that "God was too harsh" concerning (1) His will for the nation of Israel as recorded in Ezra 10:3 "Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law". And (2) His command to Noah and his family as recorded for us in Hebrews 11:7 "By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith," and again 1 Peter 3:20, "Who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine long suffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water," Dr. Vander Lugt would not give me an answer. Question:
Did Dr. Vander Lugt say that
he had changed his mind about what the
The following is my personal experience concerning this very issue of the divorced and remarried in Church family ministries and membership: In 1982, I was 37 years old, a husband and a father of three sons (one in junior high and two in high school) when I was called and installed in my very first ministry. I had no idea that over 90% of the membership and visitors were divorced and remarried with a divorced spouse yet living. I was their Pastor for over six-months when the Lord gave me a message concerning the sanctity and permanence of marriage and I didn't preach that message. For two weeks I did not preach that message and the Sunday morning of the third week, as I was in the kitchen getting ready to leave for church, our Lord stopped me with a very quiet, "Robert, when are you going to preach that message I gave you?" Instantly I knew what message it was and immediately and without any hesitation I TEARFULLY AND FEARFULLY said to Him, "Lord, if I preach that message 90% of the members and visitors will not return for the evening service. HE REMAINED, SILENT. Guess what folks? I was correct! After preaching that message those members and visitors that were divorced and remarried with a divorced spouse yet living did not return. The very next day, Monday, following the preaching of that message -- our mail box began filling up with letters containing checks from folks we had never heard of or met in our lives. It was then that I realized that our Lord had just taught me the most important lesson that I was ever going to learn as a Pastor Shepherd in a very convincing manner, "the Church is His Church and not my Church." We had a conviction then that was reinforced at that time and continues to this very day that God's work done God's way will never lack God's provisions. We have never asked anyone, family, friends, Churches or even our Home Mission for funds to support us in our ministries. Our God doesn't fail His servants!! When our God calls -- He empowers! When He empowers He pays the bills!!! 37 years of age was over 40 years ago. Since that remarkable Sunday of my very first Pulpit ministry I've Pastored Churches, Interim Pastored Churches, Pulpit supplied, have been guest speaker, closed, reorganized and started Churches. I'm now almost 70 years old and our Lord is yet being faithful! Today, this web site continues reaching folks across our globe with the truths from the Word of God concerning Salvation in and through the shedding of our Saviour Jesus Christ's blood, His death, burial and His resurrection, and, the sanctity and permanence of life (in and out of the womb) and marriage (until death).
What does
the Word of God teach us? Later that same month, after I had completed the lengthy email discussion with Dr. Vander Lugt, I experienced one of my most frustrating situations in ministry. In answer to my request that the leadership of the Radio Bible Class ask Dr. Vander Lugt to reconsider his remarriage position, one of his directors, who was a member of a very large fundamental church in Michigan, sent me an email saying that the Senior Pastor of the church that he is a member of did not agree with remarriage when a divorced spouse was still living and he would not perform weddings for the divorced folks in that situation. The Assistant Pastor saw nothing wrong with divorce and remarriage when a divorced spouse is yet living and -- did perform -- weddings for the divorced -- in their church sanctuary. He concluded with - "and, our church membership doesn't have any problem with this arrangement." (Please read Hebrews 13:17; 1 Corinthians 1:10; 1 Corinthians 14:33) Is it any wonder that the world scoffs at the Christian community and the Word of God? **A young, struggling Pastor said... "I'm just parroting what the others are saying." **An Associate Pastor of Christian Education of a large fundamental Baptist Church in Colorado made the following statement to my wife and me after asking me for a concise statement summing up divorce and remarriage: "Brother, wouldn't it be nice if we could base our "policies" on the Word of God rather than "convenience?" Incredibly, realizing and acknowledging this sin, he remained as the Associate Pastor of Christian Education. *A pastor from Wisconsin wrote, "Brother, I preached the Word of God concerning the permanence and sanctity of marriage. From the Word of God I explained to my members that the vows "until death do us part" spoken at their weddings when they were married can not be dissolved until death. I read and preached to them that the "one flesh relationship" created by God in marriage can not be dissolved until the death of a spouse. Later that week I was called before our denominational regional directors and told that if I didn't reconsider my position concerning this controversial subject ... they would consider the revocation of my "Ordination Certificate" as a Minister of the Word of God and my "Preacher's License". A foot note to this Pastor's dilemma: I praise the Lord that I can report to you that one week later the Lord provided him with a part time job, complete with a "living wage" and a paid "family benefits package" to encourage him and protect his income and his family needs regardless of what the church or his regional directors decided to do. Another man in the community noticed that his vehicle was in need of repairs, bought his broken down vehicle for a ridiculous amount of money with the words, "now you can afford a good car." PTL! This Brother wrote the following follow up: "We are growing one person at a time, and the first thing I hit is the marriage covenant. I want all new ones to know where we stand. It's funny, a babe in the Lord just says...yup, I see it; but that old crusty, tradition laden attender ... just does not want to hear it." Please note: The following reason: "I made the decision to preach and feed my family" is -- BY FAR -- the most used excuse that I have heard from pastors, violating the clear Word of God. QUESTION: Are any of the above reasons given to me by pastors BIBLICAL REASONS to justify another marriage (remarriage) for a divorced individual when their divorced spouse is still living? Is it possible that one of these ministers may have been your very own pastor or the minister who officiated at your wedding? Tell me, shouldn't all of the listed reasons given for violating their original convictions be considered as" very serious, deeply buried spiritual fault lines" on which you and others have built their earthly and eternal futures upon?
PERSONAL NOTE: Can you imagine our Lord saying to you or anyone else "Ok, you were living in sin but I'll overlook it" when He hears any of the following answers:
Jesus,
Dr. James Dobson
told me my that remarriage was ok because Dr.
Swindoll told him that he felt that it was ok. The word of God already gives us the answer, 2 Corinthians 5:10, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad." Having said this, BEWARE, there are some who, against all they know and believe will -- out of fear or for personal gain -- do, say and promote ungodly positions and teachings in this life.
Acts
20:30 When you and I are personally kneeling before our Lord and Saviour we will never have the privilege of shifting our personal responsibility for any decisions to someone else. When asked by our Lord why we did -- or -- did not do, say or think something.
Mark 10:2-12 Matthew 19:10
This
is my personal Mailbox for Email. _______________________________________________________________________
1-B Over the years I have been told the following ... by men and women ... "humanoids" who are just like you and me. The statements below represent only a few of the countless throng of humanity, who remarried and now their conscience won't let them sleep at night and they are miserable when they think about their marriage during the day. The following comments reveal deeply buried and clearly visible... spiritual fault lines: **When I grew up I was taught that remarriage was a sin. When I got married I believed that my marriage was "until death do us part." That is what I was taught and that is what I believed. **My spouse was a drunk [or abusive; a lazy-good-for-nothing, etc.] so we got a divorce. My friends told me that I hadn't done anything wrong and I certainly didn't deserve to be single the rest of my life. I knew... my ... Pastor wouldn't remarry me... "so I found a preacher who would. **I'm a man and... I have needs. And, I'm a woman and... I have needs. Important note: The key thought for both men and women is that their primary reason for this response is that they had unmet sexual needs and passions; companionship was secondary in importance for men and companionship coupled with safety was secondary in importance for the women. We need to face a key reality here because these responses were said by "Christian" men and women. They were married and now they are divorced and dealing with fleshly lust, correct? God's Word has their answer: Ephesians 2:1-3, "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, [2] in which you once walked (before our salvation) according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, [3] among whom also we all once (before our salvation) conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath (before our salvation), just as the others." The divorced Christian's solution: Galatians 5:16-17, "But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. [17] For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please." Remarriage isn't the solution, walking in the Spirit and obeying the Word of God is the solution! **I have kids to raise and it isn't fair that I should have to raise them all by myself no matter what anyone says. **I didn't want a divorce but he / she left me, and, I am not going to live alone. **My spouse was guilty of adultery so I got a divorce and remarried. **After my divorce I didn't know how I would survive. The Lord brought a wonderful Christian into my life and we got married. **After my divorce I met a wonderful person. I was sure that my Pastor wouldn't consider marrying us so, I was prepared to find a preacher who would. Before I did that I went to my own Pastor and asked if he would marry us. I was shocked when he told me that he had recently changed his mind concerning remarriage. He performed the wedding for us. These are only a few of the excuses that I have been given for why folks have remarried in violation of what they were taught and what they knew was true, all of which... create a great deal of confusion for themselves and others. If your conscience just will not give you peace because you're guilty of doing one of the above just so you could get married while your divorced spouse is still living, you know exactly what you must do.
This
is my personal Mailbox for Email. _______________________________________________________________________ What is sin
James 4:17,
"Therefore to him that knows to do good,
and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Commentary: Within the heart and soul of each and every "Truly Born Again" Christian not only resides an intuitive knowledge of right and wrong but more importantly, resides the Holy Spirit Who is the fullness of the Word of God. Any disobedience to either, our intuitive knowledge of right and wrong or to the Holy Spirit direction within is sin. All sin, especially willful sin, deserves and does receive punishment / discipline. What are the Results of sin?
James
1:15,
"Then
when lust hath conceived, it brings forth sin:
and sin, when it is finished, brings
LESSON
#1-
Unbeliever / unsaved, you know who you are FYI: As you read this we must certainly agree that there must be a real "Hell". Why, because we hear about Hell in conversations wherever we go especially if you go to bars, sporting events and alcoholic driven parties and events. Sin creates two obvious problems, first we look at ourselves in the mirror and or think about our lives and we ask, "What's wrong with me? Why am I doing these things and living this way? Answer, we're killing the good and respectable attributes that resides within us through sin. Second, we realize that we're out of control. My life is controlled by the very things that disgust me about myself. Yes, there is a real Hell and all unsaved sinners eventually die and reside there for all eternity. The wages of sin is that while I'm living this life I'm destroying everything that used to be good about me and around me. And, eventually I physically die and reside in Hell.
LESSON
#2-
The "Truly
Born Again" Christian FYI: When we sin, continue in any sin and refuse to repent [confess and stop the sin] our God no longer listens to our prayers. CHRISTIAN, think about this! What can happen in our lives and in the lives of those we love and or are personally responsible for, our children, wives, husbands, grandchildren, employees etc. if our prayers are not being answered? Unanswered prayers doesn't only result in our Spiritual death [and possibly even our physical death, also] but can actually result in the Spiritual and physical deaths of others. We hear too often about the abstract loss of eventual rewards in Heaven. What about the here and now and the hours, days, months and years that we are yet going to live? No answered prayers?! Meaning no positive directions from our lord in our lives. I.e., because of unrepentant sin am I actually doing and living where my lord wants me to live and work? Or, am I doing my own thing, totally without his divine protection and blessings? Truly, we would be a "spiritually dead man walking". All too often Christians equate financial well-being, career advancements, good health etc. as blessings from our Heavenly Father. What is the Solution for sin?
Acts
3:19, God's solution:
Romans 6:1, "What shall we say
then? Shall we continue in sin that grace
may abound?" This
is my personal Mailbox for Email. _______________________________________________________________________ SECOND SECTION "SOME VERY SUBTLE ERRORS CAUSING CONFUSION"
"Subtle
because they are being taught by some very
influential ministers
2 - A I suspect that the greatest amount of confusion is caused by Bible expositors and Christian ministry leaders, i.e. Dr. Swindoll and Dr. Dobson etc. who preach, teach and write, "If divorce is not covered by salvation then it is the only sin that is not covered by the shed blood of Jesus Christ." Both of these men know that divorce isn't the issue, it's the remarriage following that divorce while a divorced spouse is yet living that's at issue! Think about it, isn't Dr. Swindoll and Dr. Dobson actually teaching that "divorce and the following remarriage while the divorced spouse is yet living is the only sin that God doesn't require the sinner to "repent / stop / cease from committing"? Please don't get angry -- with me -- and close your heart and mind. Think about the following situations and compare them to the sin of remarriage adultery. Let's compare sin with sin. Before salvation: If I'm
a liar, I must repent and apologize and somehow
repair the damage caused by my lie, ___________________________________________________ The
following is the most dangerous Recently (added 6-25-2010) the "Executive" Pastor of a North Carolina church emailed their church family position statement concerning marriage, divorce and divorce & remarriage. The following is a direct cut and paste from their doctrinal statement and is by far the most dangerous statement that I have ever read in my life: Their
Pastors teach: That statement is the most dangerous statement that I have ever read in my life because: 1)
the authors of
their church family doctrine are knowingly and willfully changing It can be rightly said that if adulterers are allowed membership and leadership status, how can you exclude the homosexuals and any other "alternate lifestyle living arrangement" individual from membership and leadership?! (See the congressional movement concerning this issue and what it is going to mean to the 501c3 church (church ministry and property tax status) and membership tax exemptions -- Link>>> immediate action.
The Scriptural proof for point
#2 is found in Readers, the words "Repent" and "Repentance" are found in the Word of God a minimum 110 times. The combination of the terms repent, repentance and turn from are found in the Scriptures a minimum of 181 times. Each and every time these words are found they mean that what ever is in reference is to "cease / stop" immediately. When our Lord says to you and me to repent, He means stop, stop and don't ask questions, just stop it. To teach that someone "needs to repent of their past sin, but are not obligated or free to correct " is a very dangerous heresy!! ___________________________________________________ Reader, be sure to know that God fully understands all of the underlying issues for the reasons given leading up to a divorce and a remarriage. Divorce is forgivable. I'll repeat, Divorce is forgivable! Divorce isn't the issue here, the issue is the following while a divorced spouse is yet living -- . When it is taught that "Salvation and the blood of Christ covers this sin" without the necessity for that person living in adultery to repent, stop and remove themselves from that sin, they are actually teaching: (1) salvation not only changes the person... they are ALSO TEACHING that
(2) salvation
corrects the adulterous situation that is
created by a remarriage when If they are correct, then I will repeat, divorce and remarriage while a divorced spouse is yet living is the only sin that God doesn't require the sinner to "repent / stop / cease from committing the sin" because he has accepted Jesus Christ as His Saviour. Interesting, not correct, just interesting. Because they are teaching the above -- based on the many conversations that Mary and I have had with countless numbers of men and women -- THE FOLLOWING is happening over-and-over again: We were not saved -- Born Again -- at the time of my divorce and remarriage. We truly believed that when we accepted Jesus Christ as Saviour that made our 2nd. [3rd., 4th. etc] marriage ... ok. We were taught that Salvation corrected our sin. Dear reader, according to the Word of God, has Dr. Swindoll, Dr. Dobson, Dr. MacArthur and many others deceived you?
And those
of you who are reading this who were "Born
Again" at the time of your divorce and following
remarriage, you who said to yourself:
"Yes, I know remarriage is a sin but all I have
to do is confess it as a sin after I'm remarried
and -- I will be forgiven." No, you have
knowingly -- lied to and deceived yourself, Romans 1:18,
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness." "For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. [3] So then if, while her husband is living, she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress, though she is joined to another man."
QUESTION: Can you think of any other situation in life that -- simply because you have now become a Christian -- Pastors, radio ministers and Evangelists will preach that the sinful activity that you are engaged in at the moment of your salvation is... no longer ...sinful? For example, the professional thief? If he accepts Christ as Saviour, being a thief is no longer a sin? How about the pedophiles? When these folks accept Jesus Christ as Saviour, their sexual molestation is no longer sinful? Or the serial rapist? How about the individual (man, woman or child) who walks into your church service as a Columbian or Mexican drug cartel member selling drugs and active in today's human slave trade? Consider the businessman or woman, the pastor, the secretary, the brick layer, the carpenter, the school teacher, the housewife, the door-to-door salesman, plumber etc. that is daily and weekly active in an "adulterous relationship?" When these folks accept Jesus Christ as their Saviour, are their sins no longer... sin? They can continue in their sinful activities and become members and leaders of your Church Family? Over the past 30 to 40 years a number of very influential Pastors and Christian radio ministers who teach and preach that, yes, even though remarriage while a divorced spouse is yet living is sin (adultery), yet, they do not have to repent of that adulterous relationship, these men also continue to teach the following: 2 Corinthians 5:17, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. That 2 Corinthians 5:17 teaches Christ and His salvation... is the power ...for the "truly," Born Again Christian" to overcome any and all sins and temptations isn't even up for debate or discussion!! These men are correct when they teach that according to 2 Corinthians 5:17, and many many other Scriptures in the Word of God, when a person is a "Truly Born Again Christian" he is a new creation in Christ Jesus. Every thing in his... inner man..., his heart and soul, become new as well as his relationship to God. As a "truly," Born Again Christian, he is a son of God and he now has the power within to walk away from sin, no longer continue in sin!! John 1:12, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name." 1 John 3:2, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." In fact, as a "Truly Born Again Christian", we are more than just sons of God, we are heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ Who is our Saviour, our Lord and our brother. Romans 8:17, "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together." They are also correct when they teach that as a "truly," Born Again Christian," all of his sins are forgiven him. As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us." What isn't true and where these men are in serious error ... and ...what these men are overlooking is the reality and fact that the "life's circumstances" that these new "truly" Born Again Christians find themselves in at the moment and time of their salvation... do not and has not changed ...simply because of their conversion to Christ. One of the most prominent of today's radio ministers has written a booklet which includes Ephesians 2:1-7 as one of his primary arguments that salvation covers it all. Please notice what Ephesians 2:2-3 teaches, [2] Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience: [3] Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others." Notice the new power a "Truly Born Again Christian" now enjoys because he goes from being powerless over sin and his sinful friendships, "time past", to having a new and lasting internal power "over" and "in" all of life's circumstances. He now has the courage to change his lifestyle and relationships. Satin no longer has the power of control over his life. He no longer remains a captive or prisoner "to" or "in" life's circumstances. The "Truly Born Again Christian" is able to make the hard decisions and carry out those hard decisions from the moment of salvation until the moment of his death. FYI: Simply because you and I are Truly born Again Christians doesn't make any of those hard decisions any less painful!! The following are some examples: *The
thief on the cross Luke 23:39-43, "And one of the
malefactors which were hanged railed *Peter,
powerless before his
conversion and the
indwelling of the
Holy Spirit
** Now see Peter, full of power, ...after his conversion and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit Acts 3:12-17, "So when Peter saw it, he responded to the people: "Men of Israel, why do you marvel at this? Or why look so intently at us, as though by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk? [13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go. [14] But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, [15] and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses. [16] And His name, through faith in His name, has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all. [17] Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. [18] But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. [19] Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord"
*All of the disciples,
powerless
before the
indwelling power of the
Holy Spirit **Peter John and Luke, full of power after Holy Spirit took residence within them (which happen to all Truly born Again Christians immediately upon their salvation) Acts 5:25-29, "So one came and told them, saying, "Look, the men whom you put in prison are standing in the temple and teaching the people!" [26] Then the captain went with the officers and brought them without violence, for they feared the people, lest they should be stoned. [27] And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest asked them, [28] saying, "Did we not strictly command you not to teach in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this Man's blood on us!" [29] But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: "We ought to obey God rather than men." *Let's get practical and consider the person who is guilty of murder and is sitting in the courtroom listening to his defense lawyer defend all of his lies. Later, while he is in his holding cell outside of the courtroom, he is overwhelmed with the truth of his activities and cries out to Jesus Christ for salvation and... becomes a "truly," Born Again Christian. **Questions: Does this new, truly born Again Christian continue to sit in the court room and allow his defense attorney to continue defending all of those previous lies before the judge and witnesses in the following days and weeks? Or, at some time does he gather up his new courage in Christ Jesus, stand to his feet and announce to the judge and witnesses that he is a new, Born Again Christian and that the trial must now stop because he wishes to plead "guilty as charged" for murder and... face the penalty for his sin. Using the same reasoning, how about a rapist, a thief, a pedophile, a spouse abuser, a drunk, a drug addict, a forger etc. going through the judicial system? At some time do they gather up their new courage in Christ Jesus, stand to their feet and announce to the judge and witnesses that they are a new, Born Again Christian and that the trial must now stop because he wishes to plead "guilty as charged"? What did the thief on the cross do as our example?
**Some more
questions: How about
the businessman, pastor, secretary, brick What constitutes an adulterous relationship? Is it the act of having sex with someone other than his or her spouse or, is it something else? When they become a "truly," new, Born Again Christian is their adultery simply going to swept under the bloody blanket of salvation so they can continue their adulterous sexual activities? Or, must they stop the activity of sexual adultery? God in His Word calls any remarriage...that follows a divorce to someone other than the divorced spouse...while the divorced spouse is still living - ADULTERY. And, God calls it adultery because it is the activity of having sex with someone other than the spouse of "the one flesh relationship that was established when you married and consummated your marriage with your first spouse." And, it is the activity of having sex with someone other than "the spouse of your original vows" while that spouse is still living. Just how is this activity of sexual adultery different from all other adulterous activities?
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OVERLOOKED ISSUE
In this particular situation, "Salvation is free, the Christian life is not" Romans 7: 1-4 is written to the churches of Rome, Italy. Because these folks were new converts to Christianity, some of them had married and divorced and remarried before their salvation. Remember, these were the very first Judaic Christian Churches that had been established. Recall Acts chapter two and 3,000 people that accepted Christ and joined the Church? Those conversions were the norm. Here in the Church at Rome were converts from Judaism who were very knowledgeable of the Old Testament Laws. Our Lord and Saviour is teaching them that to accept Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Saviour, Verse:4, they died to the Old Testament Laws. Those laws were no longer effective in their lives for salvation. Those laws were dead to them - for salvation. The lesson taught is: the law was dead... not divorced! They could not just divorce... the Old Testament Laws and then... marry Jesus Christ as Saviour. Because the truth concerning the Law was so very well known to the Jewish membership in the Churches of Rome, our Lord and Saviour used the Apostle Paul to remind them of the foundational, Old Testament truth concerning marriage which was..."you can not be married to another until the death of your spouse"...to teach the foundational truth concerning salvation which is... you can not accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour unless everything else that you trusted in for your salvation... is dead. Please read the following. Romans 7:1-4, "Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he lives? [2] For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he lives; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband lives, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to Him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God." This
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"The
ERROR of
NOT COUNTING the Salvation is free. The Christian life is not free!! While Christ walked on this earth, He spoke to
the multitudes, healed many of their sick, More
important to our Christian walk and life are His answers to the questions "BEFORE" Jesus Christ never kept the high cost of discipleship...a secret!! QUESTION: Before Christ went to the cross and before the Church was established, why did He say "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. [34] Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword."? [Matthew 10:33-34] AND, QUESTION: Did Jesus really mean that the cost of discipleship would be *Luke 21:14a & 16, "Settle it therefore in your hearts... [16] And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolk, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death." Christ was asking, are you ready to have everyone you trust and love...hate, betray and kill...you? It's the high cost of discipleship! *Luke 14:26, "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple." Important note: We are not expected or commanded by Christ to hate our loved ones simply because we have become a Christian. All of the commentaries agree that this is a comparison and-or-a contrast between the degree of love that we have for our loved ones in comparison with our degree of love for Jesus Christ. Stated one way, our love for our loved ones pales in comparison. Stated another way, any loved one who would attempt to come between us and the Lord would lose because we love Him greater. THE COST of COMMITMENT and discipleship: THE SWORD: This is the personal cost of loyalty. Christ said, "to be My disciple, you must obey Me and follow Me". Loyalty to Christ or loyalty to family? You cannot allow your father, your mother, your brothers, your sisters or even your own previous desires and goals to get in the way of obedience and discipleship. It's the high cost of discipleship!! NOT PEACE: Remember, these new disciples were converts from Judaism and heathenisms to Salvation by faith in Jesus Christ. Just as is still true in many Moslem communities and nations today, when someone accepts Christ as Saviour and Lord of their lives it means losing their entire family and human support system. In fact, your family and friends will either hold a funeral service... accounting you as dead or.............they will actually kill you. Christ said, count the cost. Christ still expects us to count the cost... even in America ...when we consider salvation. It's the high cost of discipleship!! There is no such thing as easy believism, and low to no spiritual investment with expected high returns. Salvation is free but... the Christian life ...is not free by any stretch of the imagination. It's the high cost of discipleship!! *Luke 14:27, "And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple." THE COST of COMMITMENT: Throughout the Roman Empire, criminals bearing their cross through the heart of their cities to the place of their crucifixion symbolized that the sentence and punishment of death was justifiable and correct. It was a public admission and confession. Christ used that symbol to tell those who were considering following Him as a Disciple that they were expected to publicly confess Christ and walk with Him - even to their own death. It's the high cost of discipleship!! There is no such thing as easy believism and painless repentance with low to no spiritual investment with expected high returns. *Luke 14:28-30, "For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it--[29] lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, [30] saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish'." THE COST of COMMITMENT: Using the example of a builder, Christ emphasizes the necessity of counting the actual costs involved in the construction before breaking ground and pouring the foundations. The builder was expected to count the cost and be willing to pay the full price to complete the construction. Are you and I willing to pay the full price to be a Disciple? It's the high cost of discipleship!! There is no such thing as no to low investment spirituality with expected high returns. Salvation is free but... the Christian life ...is not free by any stretch of the imagination. *Luke 14:31-32, "Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? [32] Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace."
THE COST of
COMMITMENT: The Christian
disciple can only have peace in his inner being after he has been
willing to "give up...Vs:32"
personal ambitions. Total submission to the King of kings and
Lord of lords. It's the high cost of discipleship!!
*Isaiah
64:8, "But now, O Lord, thou
art our father; we are the clay,
*Luke 14:33,
"So likewise, whoever of you does not
forsake all that he has
The
songwriter, Adelaide A. Pollard, wrote: THE COST of COMMITMENT: Joshua 24:15, "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." It's the high cost of discipleship!! *Mark 1:16-20, "And as He walked by the Sea of Galilee, He saw Simon and Andrew his brother casting a net into the sea; for they were fishermen. [17] Then Jesus said to them, "Follow Me, and I will make you become fishers of men." [18] They immediately left their nets and followed Him. [19] When He had gone a little farther from there, He saw James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, who also were in the boat mending their nets. [120] And immediately He called them, and they left their father Zebedee (their father) in the boat with the hired servants, and went after Him. THE COST of COMMITMENT: The Christian disciple can only have peace in his inner being after he has been willing to "give up...Vss: 17 & 20, personal ambitions and family in total submission to Jesus Christ our Saviour and Lord. It's the high cost of discipleship!! Luke 9:57-62: THE COST of COMMITMENT: Are we willing to give up creature comforts, for Christ? It may be our high cost of discipleship!! *Vs:59, "And He said unto another, "Follow me". But he said, Lord, permit me first to go and bury my father. And, Christ's demand, vs:60, "Jesus said unto him, 'Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God'". THE COST of COMMITMENT: Are we willing to give up our family, for Christ? Are we even willing to allow the family and friends that we love most dearly and desire their respect and admiration for us most highly to think evil of us as we obey the Lord and His Word? It's the high cost of discipleship!! *Vs: 61, "And another also said, Lord, I will follow Thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house. And, Christ's demand, vs:62, "And Jesus said unto him, 'No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God'". THE COST of COMMITMENT: If, after we have decided to be a Disciple, who will be more important to us, family, friends or Jesus? It's the high cost of discipleship!! *Mark 10:7-12, "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, [8] and the two shall become one flesh; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. [9] Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate." [10] In the house His disciples also asked Him again about the same matter. And, Christ's warning, [11] So He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. [12] And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery." THE COST of COMMITMENT: Mark wrote exactly what he heard Jesus Christ say while He was gathering and training disciples for His ministry. Christ said (in our vernacular), "Men, if any of you standing here divorces your wife and remarries, what you did will be an act of adultery and... you will be disqualified from being my disciple?" AND, isn't Christ saying, to them and to us today, "count the cost of discipleship and the Christian life?" What is the cost of discipleship going to be to anyone standing and listening to Christ? And those who are already divorced and remarried or...married to a divorced spouse, read - Ezra chapters 9 & 10. The Christian Church is not without an Old Testament example for the remedy of divorce and remarriage. The remedy for an adulterous remarriage has a very high cost of repentance (turning away from) that is demanded of our discipleship!!
Christ's warning:
THE COST of COMMITMENT: Luke wrote exactly what he heard Jesus Christ say while He was gathering and training disciples for His ministry. Isn't he saying, "Men, if any of you standing here divorces your wife and remarries another, you will be committing adultery, and, you will be disqualified from being my disciple?" And, if you marry a woman who is is divorced, you are marrying into adultery. Isn't Christ saying to them, "count the cost of discipleship and the Christian life?" What is the cost of discipleship going to be for anyone standing and listening to Christ? Especially those who are contemplating getting a divorce and those who have already married a divorced individual? Please read - Ezra chapters 9 & 10. The Christian Church is not without an Old Testament example for the remedy of divorce and remarriage. The remedy for an adulterous remarriage has a very high cost of repentance (turning away from) that is demanded of our discipleship!!
Christ's warning:
THE COST of COMMITMENT:
Matthew
wrote what he heard Jesus Christ say while He was gathering and
training disciples for His ministry. Isn't Christ saying,
"Men, if any of you standing here divorces your wife and
remarries, it
is an act of adultery and... you will be disqualified from being my
disciple?" Isn't He saying, "count the cost of discipleship
and the Christian life?" What is the cost of discipleship
going to be to anyone standing and listening to Christ who is
already divorced and remarried or...married to a divorced spouse? Statement: I am only too familiar with human nature because I to am human. I suspect that many of you have not looked up and read Ezra Chapters 9 and 10. The Christian Church is not without an Old Testament example for the remedy of today's divorce and remarriage. You and I have God's example. I will give you God's remedy: (not the entire chapters) The Sin: Disobedience to the Command of God Ezra 9:1-4, "Now when these things had been completed, the princes approached me, saying, "The people of Israel and the priests and the Levites have not separated themselves from the peoples of the lands, according to their abominations, those of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites. [2] "For they have taken some of their daughters as wives for themselves and for their sons, so that the holy race has intermingled with the peoples of the lands; indeed, the hands of the princes and the rulers have been foremost in this unfaithfulness." [3] And when I heard about this matter, I tore my garment and my robe, and pulled some of the hair from my head and my beard, and sat down appalled. [4] Then everyone who trembled at the words of the God of Israel on account of the unfaithfulness of the exiles gathered to me, and I sat appalled until the evening offering. My
commentary: The Remedy: After confession, repent and obey the Command of God by stopping the sin Ezra 10:2-5, "And Shecaniah the son of Jehiel, one of the sons of Elam, answered and said to Ezra, "We have been unfaithful to our God, and have married foreign women from the peoples of the land; yet now there is hope for Israel in spite of this. [3] "So now let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives and their children, according to the counsel of my lord and of those who tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law. [4] "Arise! For this matter is your responsibility, but we will be with you; be courageous and act." [5] Then Ezra rose and made the leading priests, the Levites, and all Israel, take oath that they would do according to this proposal; so they took the oath. My
commentary: Ezra 10:7-8, "And they made a proclamation throughout Judah and Jerusalem to all the exiles, that they should assemble at Jerusalem, [8] and that whoever would not come within three days, according to the counsel of the leaders and the elders, all his possessions should be forfeited and he himself excluded from the assembly of the exiles." My
commentary: Marriage: 1 Corinthians 7:39, "A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord." Church
Membership: Communion: My
commentary: QUESTIONS: If you and I are asked, are we presently paying the high cost for commitment, what would our answer be? And, what examples would we give demonstrating the high cost of our commitment? Reader, this isn't works salvation, this is SALVATION THAT WORKS. {For you that are studying the Salvation page and answering the questions, click hereto return to that page]
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ERROR of
NOT COUNTING the
COST" Salvation is free. The Christian life is not free!! "AFTER" It was decision Sunday in Rome! In counting the cost of discipleship after the Church was established, what did Jesus Christ say to the Church members who, by virtue of their membership in the Churches in Rome and Corinth, said they were His Disciple? Remember, membership in the church was based on confession of sin, repentance from sin, public confession of their personal faith in Jesus Christ for salvation and then, public baptism by immersion in the local river, mud hole, etc. One Sunday the following took place in the Church at Rome: As the Church members in Rome, Italy gathered to hear what their Pastor was going to read, they heard him read the following. Try to put yourself in their situation by imagining going to your own church for worship and...when your Pastor stood to preach he said, "Members. I received the following letter from the Apostle Paul and he asked that I read it to you. I'll begin reading at Romans chapter 7, verse:1 and read through verse:4. "Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he lives? [2] For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he lives; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband lives, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God." You, like they, are a member of your church by confessing Jesus Christ as your Saviour, which was followed by believer's baptism and church membership: **Did being a confessed believer in Christ and a baptized member of the Church at Rome change what God said, through the Apostle Paul, that all people who are divorced and remarried while their divorced spouse was living is... adultery? Did being a confessed believer in Christ and a baptized member of the Church alter that fact? **Did being a confessed believer in Christ and a baptized member of the Church and confessing before God and the Church that you agree with God that divorce and remarriage... while the divorced spouse is still living is adultery...will that confession and agreement alter the fact that the divorced spouse is still living?" **Did being a confessed believer in Christ and a baptized member of the Church and confessing before God and the Church that you agree with God that divorce and remarriage... while the divorced spouse is still living is adultery...will that confession and agreement alter the fact that the marriage is still an adulterous marriage?" **Even though they were a confessed believer in Christ and a baptized member of the Church, if the divorced spouse is still living after confessing before God and the Church that you agree with God that a divorced person is not to remarry while their divorced spouse is still... living ...what does the Word of God call that marriage? The correct answer is Romans 7:3, " So then if, while her husband lives, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress." It was decision Sunday in the Church at Rome and the altar call to them and to us is:
**Are Christians supposed
to remain in adultery? Read
Romans chapter 6.
Contextually, it would appear that God was preparing those Church
members at Rome for some very hard decision making because
chapter 6 is before
chapter 7. Students, because
chapter 6...
is before ...chapter 7 by overlooking this
simple little fact, many Christians, Pastors and Christian
leaders have made huge
ERRORS in their theology
and in their lives. Notice that
Chapter 6 begins
with
verses:1-2, "What shall we
say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may
abound? [2] God forbid.
How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" At the top of this page are the reasons given by people just like you and me for their remarriages...against the counsel of their parents, friends, Pastors and the Word of God. I'm not being harsh or judgmental when I say to you that these reasons are examples of people "who hold the truth in unrighteousness" and are "disobedient to parents, etc." and "who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them." You know that what I have said on this page is the truth because I've copied the Word of God within the text and context.. The choice is the same for this sin as any other sin and the local Church responsibility is the same concerning this sin as any other sin. As a father, Pastor, Christian and friend it is my responsibility to tell people to stop their sin, what ever that sin is. The responsibility is theirs and theirs alone to obey or disobey. If they make the wrong choice, as a father, Pastor, Christian and friend it is my stewardship ...in obedience to Christ... to take what ever steps are necessary to discipline that brother or sister in Christ and / or distance myself from that brother or sister in the Lord 1 Corinthians 5:11, " But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." My obedience is mine and mine alone. My obedience is not dependent upon an executive committee, a family council, an Elders and Deacons meeting, the decision of a denomination or association of Pastors. You and I will stand... all alone ...before our Lord and Saviour when we give our personal account. Our obedience and stewardship is not, I repeat... is not ...a popularity contest! **Are adulterous people supposed to remain in the Church membership? Read 1 Corinthians 5:6-13. **Does the New Testament Church have an Old Testament example for a solution? Yes!! Read Ezra chapter 10, all of it. Please Note: Ezra is Old Testament and is the harshness of the law. Under grace, God extends some mercy to us that was not always extended to the Old Testament saints. Remaining in an adulterous marriage is not a part of the New Testament grace -- package. It's the high cost of repentance (turning away from sin) that is demanded by discipleship!! Ministry, strength, courage, life's provisions and Christian creativity is... a part of our New Testament grace package! Read 2 Corinthians 2:2-4; Philippians 4:13 & 19
Church member. You and I heard what the Apostle Paul wrote. What is our decision? This
is my personal Mailbox for Email. _____________________________________________________ One Sunday in the Church in Corinth, Greece...it was decision Sunday! As the Church members in Corinth, gathered to hear what their Pastor was going to read, they heard him read the following. Try to put yourself in their situation by imagining going to your own church for worship and...when your Pastor stood to preach he said, "members and friends of our Church family, I received the following letter from the Apostle Paul and he asked that I read it to you. The Apostle Paul wrote the following: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6: 9, 10) The Apostle Paul also wrote the following: "The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord." (1 Corinthians 7:39) Could their Pastor's personal message to his congregation and visitors have been similar to the following? Dear members and friends. I confess to you that Paul's strong warning to each one of us, "be not deceived," really caught my attention! Before coming here today, I read this letter from Paul in my home to my wife and family and I couldn't help but wonder, "Is it possible that when I deliver this letter to our Church family and friends on Sunday that there could be someone in the hearing of these words that,
*because they made a public confession for
Christ as Saviour on our Church some listeners could be deceived concerning their true salvation and relationship in Jesus Christ? Did they really count the cost of the Christian life before joining our church? Are they going to demonstrate that they are truly a Born Again Christian by being willing to pay the price expected by our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, concerning their Christian life and discipleship walk of obedience concerning this sin of adultery? It is no different now, in the 21st. century, than it was when the texts above were penned by the apostle Paul. When our Lord calls attention to sin in our lives, any and all sin, He expects us to obey by confessing and forsaking that known sin by turning away from and stopping the sin? To know for sure that we are a truly Born Again Christian, we must be willing to call upon the Lord and trust in His strength to overcome and obey even the most difficult expectations of the Lord? If we're not willing, are we truly Born Again? If we're not willing to obey in obedience to the difficult situations, how could we possibly believe that we're willing to die... for our faith in Christ?" Reader, this isn't works salvation, this is salvation that works.
The Apostle Paul wrote to us under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that no adulterer would ever inherit the Kingdom of God. He also wrote that no divorced person could marry again as long as his or her divorced spouse is still living. To disobey this "SIMPLE" command (it is only a difficult command if you have disobeyed it) is to:
*disobey the Creator God
and determiner of our eternity and, The church members and friends in Corinth that heard that message were required then to answer the same questions that we must answer today! Pastors and readers: **Will being a confessed believer in Christ as Saviour and a baptized member of any Church, Fundamental, Liberal or any other kind...even though they stand before God and the Church confessing that their marriage is adultery --- alter the fact that their divorced spouse is ... still living? The divorced spouse is still alive, correct? **Does being a confessed believer in Christ as Saviour and a baptized member of any Church, Fundamental, Liberal or any other kind...alter the fact that the Word of God calls all such marriages --- adultery? Because the divorced spouse is still alive, correct? **Will being a confessed believer in Christ as Saviour and a baptized member of any Church, Fundamental, Liberal or any other kind...even though they stand before God and the Church confessing and agreeing with the Word of God that their marriage is adultery --- alter the fact that DIVORCE is not death? And, that only death dissolves the "one flesh" relationship and --- only death satisfies the "until death do we part" irrevocable marriage vows? This doesn't alter the fact that the divorced spouse is still alive, correct? And, the irrevocable vows were said, correct? **If the divorced spouse is still living after confessing before God and the Church that you agree with God that a divorced person is not to remarry while their divorced spouse is still ... living ... and God's Word declares those marriages to be adultery and you are in that situation, isn't your marriage an adulterous marriage? And the Word of God clearly says that "no adulterer will ever inherit the kingdom of God," correct? *Because some preacher, pastor or friend goes against the clear Word of God and tells you that your marriage "is the exception" to God's rule, do you --- really --- believe that God doesn't mean that "you - will not inherit the kingdom of God" ? Do you really believe that some preacher, pastor or friend knows more than God knows? And that the warning is for everyone else but you, correct? *Are you willing to risk your personal eternity on the word of some preacher, pastor or friend when the Word of God is so --- very, clear?! It was decision Sunday in that Church in Corinth and the altar call for them and for you and me - is: **Are Christians supposed to disobey the Word of God by getting married to another spouse while their divorced spouse is still living? **Isn't that disobedient marriage, adultery? **Are Christians supposed to remain in adultery? Read Romans chapter 6. Contextually, it would appear that God was preparing those Church members at Rome for some very hard decision making because chapter 6 is before chapter 7. Students, because chapter 6... is before ...chapter 7 by overlooking this simple little fact, many Christians, Pastors and Christian leaders have made huge ERRORS in their theology and in their lives. Notice that Chapter 6 begins with verses:1-2, "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? [2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Chapter 7 is but a continuation of chapter 6 which is a continuation of the opening warnings found in Romans 1:18, "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness" and Romans 1:29-32, "being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, [30] backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [31] undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; [32] who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them." At the top of this page are the reasons given by people just like you and me for their remarriages...against the counsel of their parents, friends, Pastors and the Word of God. I'm not being harsh or judgmental when I say to you that these reasons are examples of people "who hold the truth in unrighteousness" and are "disobedient to parents, etc." and "who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them." You know that what I have said on this page is the truth because I've copied the Word of God within the text and context.. The choice is the same for this sin as any other sin and the local Church responsibility is the same concerning this sin as any other sin. As a father, Pastor, Christian and friend it is my responsibility to tell people to stop their sin, what ever that sin is. The responsibility is theirs and theirs alone to obey or disobey. If they make the wrong choice, as a father, Pastor, Christian and friend it is my stewardship ...in obedience to Christ... to take what ever steps are necessary to discipline that brother or sister in Christ and / or distance myself from that brother or sister in the Lord 1 Corinthians 5:11, " But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." My obedience is mine and mine alone. My obedience is not dependent upon an executive committee, a family council, an Elders and Deacons meeting, the decision of a denomination or association of Pastors. You and I will stand... all alone ...before our Lord and Saviour when we give our personal account.
Our obedience and
stewardship is not
a
**Are adulterous people
supposed to remain in the Church membership? **Does the New Testament Church have an Old Testament example for a solution? Yes!! Read Ezra chapter 10, all of it. Please Note: Ezra is Old Testament and is the harshness of the law. Under grace, God extends some mercy to us that was not always extended to the Old Testament saints. Remaining in an adulterous marriage is not a part of the New Testament grace ... package. It's the high cost of repentance (turning away from) demanded of our discipleship!! Ministry, strength, courage, life's provisions and Christian creativity - "is" - a part of our New Testament grace package! Read 2 Corinthians 2:2-4; Philippians 4:13 & 19.
Church member. You and I
heard what the Apostle Paul wrote. What is our decision? _____________________________________________________
QUESTION:
There is no such thing as easy believism, It's the high cost of our discipleship!! What is our decision? This
is my personal Mailbox for Email.
_____________________________________________________ "Subtle ERRORS causing confusion ... Continued"
2 - B Some are teaching that remarriage while the divorced spouse is still living is justified because of an "UNREPENTANT and ADULTEROUS SPOUSE": Over the past 30 to 40 years some very influential Pastors and Christian radio ministers have been quoting,
Matthew 19:9,
" And I say unto you,
Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for
fornication, and
shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso
marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." [KJV] Please notice that the above King James Version and the New King James Version say virtually the same thing. Now notice the texts that those who support remarriage, use. Matthew 19:9, "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery," [and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery ... is missing in this version] [NASV] Matthew 19:9, "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery." [Again, and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery ... is missing in this version] [NIV] Please explain what happened to "and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery" in the New American Standard Version of the Word of God? Question: Why do these folks use translations without making any references to the the textual notes for the variant translations that are found in those translations?
Now, compare Matthew 19:9 with all of the following verses. I am going to say something that really isn't very profound but, yet -- it is very profound. Matthew 5:32 is written before Matthew 19:9 isn't it? Matthew chapters 5 through chapter 8 is Christ's "Sermon on the Mount." Jesus is publicly teaching the multitudes and explaining the "life style" and "cost of discipleship." Why does Matthew 19:9 say something completely different than Matthew 5:32? AND -- Why does today's Church use only Matthew 19:9? Did Jesus make a mistake earlier when He gave His "Sermon on the Mount" as recorded in Matthew 5:32? And, because He made such a verbal blunder He decided to correct His warning to all mankind in Matthew chapter 9 and verse: 19? This isn't an unfair question, is it? And -- if it supposed that He did make a verbal blunder, why didn't He correct all of the following verses? Isn't it a logical and very Important Question to ask that if Matthew 19:9 is correct...why does this single verse disagree with all of the verses that are recorded in the New Testament that (1) directly quote Jesus Christ while teaching the doctrine of marriage and (2)...disagree with all of the verses He taught through the Apostle Paul? Read them for yourself. I've printed everyone one of them below.
Matthew 5:32, This we do know, Jesus said if a man divorced his wife for any reason other than adultery (i.e. she burned his coffee), he is causing his wife to commit adultery. AND even though she was not guilty of the sin of adultery (i.e. she burned his coffee) when her husband divorced her, she will be an adulterer when she remarries.
Mark 10:11-12,
Luke 16:18,
Romans 7:2-3,
1 Corinthians
7:39, One of the very first principles of hermeneutics [which is the study of how to interpret the Scriptures] that I was taught in Christian College and Seminary is the rule of "context, context and context" or, "the verse within the text, which is found within the context, which is found within the greater text, the whole of the Word of God." This universal principle simply means: First, never interpret the meaning of a singular cloudy and obscure verse, so that it disagrees with the meaning of the total text, which is the complete Bible. Second, never interpret a single verse of Scripture [alone] without considering the immediate text, which are the verses and chapter where that verse is contained. And third, never interpret a chapter without considering the meaning and flow of the chapters before and after, in which that chapter is written. Using accepted, sound rules of hermeneutics as the standard, Matthew 19:9 differs from all other verses and can not possibly be considered as the standard by which to judge all other verses in the Word of God so as to determine a doctrine. Any man who has studied at any Fundamental Christian College or Seminary knows it is a violation of the rules of interpretation and just plain common sense to use a single cloudy or obscure verse of Scripture as the standard by which to interpret the many clear and transparent verses of Scripture. It's this violation of common sense that creates erroneous doctrinal and polity errors which destroys lives, families and ministries and encourages the cults to thrive. As well, Matthew 19:9 follows Matthew 19:8 -- doesn't it? Matthew 19:8, "He said unto them, Moses -- allowed you to put away your wives -- because of the hardness of your hearts: but from the beginning it was not so." I don't want to take anything away from Moses but -- I certainly am not going to allow Moses to become God, either! Remember Moses who, in a fit of rage, killed the Egyptian and fled to the desert for 40 years, Exodus chapter 2? And Moses, the leader who -- in anger -- broke the stone tablets that our Creator God had written on, Exodus chapter 32? Do you also recall that Mosses the leader wasn't allowed to enter into the promised land because of his sinful temper, Numbers chapter 20? Jesus Christ made it very clear in Matthew 19:8 that Moses -- and -- Moses alone .............. allowed divorce. And that Moses didn't have God's .............. permission! Moses made the decision and allowed divorce without portfolio (without consultation and permission)!! From a very human and practical point of questioning, why is today's Church so very willing to follow the sinful example set by Moses? It is very evident from all of the verses found in the New Testament that Matthew 19:9 is a one-and-only cloudy verse and it stands all alone. Why will Bible scholars who normally will not even consider using a verse with a cloudy and obscure meaning suddenly...violate that principle of sound interpretation and hermeneutics...and build a totally erroneous doctrine. Risking being accused of being redundant I really am compelled to ask once again:
1-
Why do these folks use
translations without making any references to the the
textual notes
2-
Why will Bible scholars who
normally will not even consider using a verse with a cloudy
and Are our Pastors and Christian leaders doing this for one of the following, deeply buried, spiritual fault lines? **A number of years ago a Pastor in a neighboring city thought it would be very helpful if my wife and I became members of his ministry and gave him a helping hand. Before joining his ministry I gave him my "Philosophy of Ministry" manuscript that gives great detail about our convictions concerning divorce and divorce / remarriage. After several months of helping the ministry by teaching a singles and married couples class, one of the deacons called and asked to meet with me at a restaurant that was convenient to both of us so we could talk. He started the conversation by telling me that he was divorced and remarried and "he was very sure that my wife and I were not aware of his situation." He also wanted us to know that at the next annual business meeting, of the five men to be considered for the "Office of Deacon," three were divorced men whose divorced wives were still living and that two of those men would certainly be elected. The majority of the Deacon's Board would... then be ...divorced and remarried men whose divorced wives were still living. When I confronted their
Pastor, this
is what I was told: Over the past 35 years, many Pastors have said "to me" ... the following: **"Brother, if I preached Romans 7:2-4, "For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. [4] Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another--to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God." And 1 Corinthians 7:39, "A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord," as a hard and fast interpretation, I wouldn't have a church left." **"When I graduated from Seminary I didn't agree with divorce and remarriage while a divorced spouse was still alive..."but" the Church that called me had those folks as members." **"When I graduated from Seminary I didn't agree with divorce and remarriage while a divorced spouse was still alive..."but" all of the other men in my area [conference, denomination, association etc.] are doing it." **"When I graduated from Seminary I didn't agree with divorce/remarriage while a divorced spouse was still alive..."but" the members of my congregation told me over and over again that Dr. Herb Vanderlugt, Radio Bible Class, Dr. Charles Swindoll and Dr. James Dobson, Focus on the Family all teach that God's mercy and grace covers this." **A young, struggling Pastor said... "I'm just parroting what the others are saying." **An Associate Pastor of Christian Education of a large fundamental Baptist Church in Colorado made the following statement to my wife and I after asking me for a concise statement, summing up divorce and remarriage: "Brother, wouldn't it be nice if we could base our "policies" on the Word of God rather than "convenience?" Incredibly, realizing and acknowledging this sin, he remained as the Associate Pastor of Christian Education. *A pastor from Wisconsin wrote, "Brother, I preached the Word of God concerning the permanence and sanctity of marriage. From the Word of God I explained to my members that the vows "until death do us part" spoken at their weddings when they were married can not be dissolved until death. I read and preached to them that the "one flesh relationship" created by God in marriage can not be dissolved until the death of a spouse. Later that week I was called before our denominational regional directors and told that if I didn't reconsider my position concerning this controversial subject ... they would consider the revocation of my "Ordination Certificate" as a Minister of the Word of God and my "Preacher's License". Please note: The following reason: "I made the decision to preach and feed my family" is -- BY FAR --.the most used excuse that I have heard from pastors, violating the clear Word of God. QUESTION: Are any of the above reasons given to me by pastors, BIBLICAL REASONS? Is it possible that one of these ministers may have been your very own pastor or the minister who officiated at your wedding. Tell me, shouldn't all of the listed reasons given for violating their original convictions be considered as "very serious, deeply buried spiritual fault lines" on which you and others have built their earthly and eternal futures upon?
Tell everyone you know, every place you go that One
man and one woman The death of a spouse is His only exception!!
How can I encourage you?
2 - C Some are teaching that remarriage while the divorced spouse is still living is justified because of "The DESERTION of an UNBELIEVER" and they quote 1 Corinthians 7:15, " But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace."
Please remember the universal principle of how to correctly interpret the Word of God by using the simple "context, context and context" rule or, "the verse within the text, which is found within the context, which is found within the greater text, which is the whole of the Word of God." First, look at the "key" words within the verse itself. In this verse the key words are "unbeliever"; ... "let him depart"; ... "believers not under bondage" ...and, "peace". The truth of this verse is that marriage, the home and the family isn't to be turned into a "war zone" by an unbeliever or, anyone else. The Believers in the churches located in Corinth, Rome and in all other cities and villages as well were, for the most part, recent converts to Christ and Christianity. As ... new converts, many of them now had husbands or wives that were not saved. These new "Christians" hadn't previously married into an "unequally yoked marriage" but rather -- because of their new Faith in Christ Jesus -- their existing marriage coupled with their new faith in Jesus Christ, created an "unequally yoked marriage." Their unsaved spouses were still practicing heathens or still believers in Judaism and didn't want anything to do with Christ and their spouse's new faith walk. If this verse had no context and stood all by itself, the meaning will remain:
Today, many Born Again Christians deliberately violate the Word of God by dating and marrying the unsaved. They deliberately date and marry a mission field against the counsel of their parents, family, friends, Pastor and the Word of God. If that is the case then the old adage, "Son or Daughter, you made your bed and now you can sleep in it," is your lot in life. You deserve it! You wanted a mission field now be faithful to your mission. Other missionaries across the globe are! If your unbelieving spouse wants to divorce because of your faith in Christ and...because of your Christian life, let them get the divorce. Not you! In fact, it would be wise to say something like, "Honey, if you really want a divorce, you'll have to initiate it. I do not want a divorce because I love the Lord and I love you. If you insist, I love you enough to help you pack. Is there some place you would like me to bring you? or, is there someone you want me to call for you?" Why can I say this? I say this because of the context of the whole passage. Read verses:13-14:
The verses immediately before verse 15 demonstrates God's concern is for the salvation of the unsaved spouse, and the Holiness and welfare of the children. AND, the verse immediately following verse 15 again demonstrates God's concern is for the salvation of the unsaved spouse: 1 Corinthians 7:16, "For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?"
Important
note: this verse is very important to the
contextual understanding of "let them
leave...you are not bound..." verse 15 instructs believers to "peacefully let the husband / wife
leave and pursue and live peacefully. Verse 16 is the "why
should I "peacefully let the husband / wife
leave and pursue and live peacefully?" you
may be setting the example of Christ-likeness that
is necessary to - now notice this because this is
the key - save your husband / save your wife. The
natural progression for verse 16 is to assume that the
unbelieving spouse is gone (verse
15), i.e. Separated or
divorced yet your lord and mine instructs us that
the separated or divorced, un-believing husband /
wife remain our husband / wife even though
--- they are gone by separation or divorce! This understanding is shored up by the following verses: Wives: 1 Peter 3:1, " Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct [Godly lifestyle...added] of their wives." Husbands and wives: Hebrews 12:14-15, " Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: [15] looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;" On the other hand, if your mission field / spouse is "criminally...mentally and / or physically abusive" of you or your children (this isn't the excuse, "I don't love him any more" etc.), God has given Romans 13:1-4 to you and me: Romans 13:1-4, " Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. [2] Whosoever therefore resists the power, resists the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. [3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Will you then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and you shall have praise of the same: [4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if you do that which is evil, be afraid; for he bears not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that does evil." If your sanity and safety is in jeopardy because your spouse is threatening and carrying out harmful and violent activities, call the police and have that spouse legally removed from the home. Get a legal restraining order or an order for separate maintenance from the judge. These actions taken by a Christian are not against the Word of God but getting a divorce for these reasons certainly are. Remember: A divorce is only for the reason of "unrepentant, sexual immorality." Not for any other reason. Period. Finally, consider the whole context of 1 Corinthians chapter 7. (Whole context meaning the entire chapter) Chapter 7 begins with: 1 Corinthians 7:1-2, "Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. [2] Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." Primary reason for this verse: For the singles, widows and widowers, if they are inclined and driven to sexual activity, don't sexually violate another person, get married. 1 Corinthians 7:8-9, "I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. [9] But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn." Secondary reason for this verse: For the married man and woman, you are one flesh with your own wife or husband. Don't enter into an adulterous relationship by having sex with someone other than the spouse of your original vows. Chapter 7 closes with:
Corinthians 7:39, "A wife is bound as
long as her husband lives; but if her husband is
dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only
in the Lord."
Greek
deo / bound, Greek 1210, Strong's Concordance &
Dictionary
as in bind / nit into "one flesh"
until death do us part
and note
that the verse
doesn't say... bound as long as her husband stays. Primary reason for verse:39 Don't even think about getting married until your spouse dies. Secondary reason for verse:39 After your spouse dies, you can remarry with only one restriction, "you must marry a born again Christian". CONCLUSION of "The DESERTION of an UNBELIEVER" Contextually, 1 Corinthians 7:15, " But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace," can not possibly be an escape clause for the divorced who's unbelieving divorced spouses are still living. CONCLUSION to the reasons that have caused confusion over the past 30 to 40 years: (1) It is never acceptable to remarry when the divorced spouse is still living.
(2)
There are no
NEW TESTAMENT exclusions
allowing remarriage when a divorced *Salvation followed the divorce and remarriage IS NOT a New Testament exclusion! *The divorce happened because of an immoral and unrepentant partner IS NOT a New Testament exclusion!! *The unbeliever deserted the marriage IS NOT a New Testament exclusion!! (3) Remarriage following a divorce while the divorced spouse is living is always...adultery.
Church
member. You and I heard what the Apostle Paul
wrote. What is our decision? _________________________________________________________________
QUESTION:
There
is no such thing as easy believism, It's the high cost of our discipleship!! What is our decision?
This is my personal Mailbox
for Email. _______________________________________________________________ there are FOUR (4) MAJOR OVERLOOKED ISSUES
The Word of God concerning NO Spiritual fault lines! The 1 OVERLOOKED ISSUE: (A) The Word of God: *God is very clear about divorce: Malachi 2:16, "I hate divorce." God does not hate the person because He, God... is a divorced man. See Jeremiah 3:8. *God never intended for people to divorce. Matthew 19:8, "He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so." Hebrews 12:14-15, "Follow peace (not divorce) with all men (this includes your spouse), and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: [15] Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled." *Jesus Christ taught that divorce is only for open and unrepentant sexual immorality. Matthew 5:32, "but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the cause of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." *If
a
divorced couple should desire to reconcile and remarry, having
never married 1 Corinthians 7:11, "But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife." *Should a spouse die, the living person is free to remarry. Romans 7:3, "So then if, while her husband lives, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man." 1 Corinthians 7:39, "The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord." *If either
has married someone else while separated from their original
spouse, even Deuteronomy 24:4, "Then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance." Jeremiah 3:1a, "They say, if a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? Shall not that land be greatly polluted?" *Whenever
marriage to another person occurs while a
divorced spouse is still alive,
the Romans 7:1-4, "Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he lives? [2] For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he lives; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband lives, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to Him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God." Mark 10:7-12, "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, [8] and the two shall become one flesh; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. [9] Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate." [10] In the house His disciples also asked Him again about the same matter. [11] So He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. [12] And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery." Luke 16:18, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery." Note: Be sure to pay close attention to the following verse folks. It isn't an "escape clause" BUT it is a "cause and effect" clause. Christ sounds a clear warning coupled with condemnation, guilt and fault. Matthew 5:32, "but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the cause of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." It should be obvious from the number of verses found in the Word of God that the issue that has God's condemnation is the remarriage that follows a divorce, while the divorced spouse is still living. The only time that the "divorce" is an issue is when there is a divorce for some other reason than unrepentant, sexual immorality i.e. "I knew that I didn't love my spouse when we got married;" Or, "My spouse was a lazy drunk;" Or, "My spouse was abusive;" Or, "Irreconcilable differences (how can truly Born again Christians ever say this? Impossible!);" Etc. None of these reasons for divorce are Biblical reasons and none of these reasons have God's blessings. As with any and all other sins, it must be confessed and repented of.
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B, C and D "Confession" is not "repentance" and "divorce" is not "death" The 2 OVERLOOKED ISSUE: (B) The "One flesh relationship" issue. Genesis 2:24, "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." Matthew 19:5-6, "and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? [6] So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate'." Mark 10:8, "and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh." Ephesians 5:31, "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." Romans 7:3 and 1 Corinthians 7:39 both conclude that only death dissolves the one flesh issue of marriage. Therefore, the one flesh issue doesn't dissolve simply because of a "writ of divorcement." Romans 7:3, "So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man." Please note: Our Lord, using Paul as His secretary / writer didn't call her first husband her "ex-husband" or "divorced" husband. He is called her husband. Some may want to down play or even dismiss this fact. The Author, Jesus Christ, didn't down play or dismiss it. 1 Corinthians 7:39, "A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord." Again, please take note: This is New Testament Scripture and not the Old Testament. I hear all the time that we're not under the law. Both Romans 7:3 and 1 Corinthians 7:39 are New Testament Scriptures having been written after our Lord's ascension into Heaven and to the New Testament Churches. Each refers to a binding "law". Matthew 5:18 isn't Old Testament either and yet our Lord said "that not one jot nor tittle will pass (away) from the law until it is totally fulfilled." What law is invoked here? The law of one flesh that was established in Genesis 2:24 and Matthew 19:6-8. There is another New Testament law that is also involved here,1 John 2:4, "'The one who says, 'I have come to know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.'" Jesus Christ is the Creator God, the only Author and Architect of all Scripture, Old Testament and New Testament. Be very careful of picking and choosing Scripture based upon "that's Old Testament" or "that's New Testament." Jesus Christ answered the question of divorce with: Matthew 19:6, 8 "And He answered and said unto them, 'Wherefore they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.'" [8] "He said unto them, 'Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts suffered [means to permit... added] you to put away your wives: but from the beginning of creation...[I added] it was not so.'" IMPORTANT NOTE: I had a pastor tell me that God / Jesus Christ gave Moses permission and / or approval to grant divorce therefore, divorce and remarriage was permissible. For your Spiritual safety and eternality, I'm going on record to say to you that the above verses, Matthew 19:6 and 8 do not even come close to even suggest that Christ was in agreement in the slightest way with Moses decision! One more time and for the record: "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts suffered / permitted you..." And,
God /
Jesus Christ hates divorce Matthew 19:10, "His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry." [KJV] Matthew 19:10, "His disciples said to Him, "If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry." [NKJV] Matthew 19:10, "The disciples said to Him, "If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry." [NASV] Matthew 19:10, "Jesus' disciples then said to him, 'If that is how it is, it is better not to marry!'" [The Living Translation] Matthew 19:10, "The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry." [NIV] Was remarriage a controversial subject to the disciples? No! Not at all!!! It wasn't controversial then and, the Word of God isn't controversial now!!! They understood that if they married and their marriage didn't work out and a divorce took place, they could never marry again. Certainly, not until the death of their divorced spouse. And, ladies and men, don't forget that they were men and they also -- had needs. Because we have never -- up close and personally -- met the Disciples, it's easy to forget that they were just as human as you and me. The Disciples understood what Christ said and...Pastors know that adultery is a physical act: 1 Corinthians 6:18, "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body." [KJV] What is the meaning of fornication? The Greek word is porneia on which our English words porno and pornography are derived. Fornication includes adultery, incest and fornication. 1 Corinthians 6:18, "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body." [KJV] 1 Corinthians 6:18, "Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body." [NASV] 1 Corinthians 6:18, "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body." [NIV] 1 Corinthians 6:18, "Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body." [NKJV] 1 Corinthians 6:18, "Shun fornication! Every sin that a person commits is outside the body; but the fornicator sins against the body itself." [NRSV] 1 Corinthians 6:18, "That is why I say to run from sex sin. No other sin affects the body as this one does. When you sin this sin it is against your own body." [Living Word] Why can I say so emphatically that Pastors know that adultery is a physical act?! When it comes to the attention of the Pastor that a member of his congregation is having an adulterous affair, what does that Pastor and his Board do? They contact that member and tell them to stop the affair or else _______________ . What exactly...is that adulterous member to stop doing? Stop having "sex" with someone. Immorality, fornication and adultery are all "sexual sins that happen to-and-in, the body." Some examples, a business man having sex with his secretary; a salesman having sex with another woman; a Pastor having sex with the organist; a teacher having sex with a student, etc. It is adultery, fornication and immorality because they are engaged in the "activity of sex with each other's bodies." That act of sex... is ...adultery. Pastors, board members, husbands, wives, children and all thinking adults of the congregation insist that sexual adultery must be stopped because it is called A D U L T E R Y, Correct? And, we can not have adulterers in the Church membership. God's letter to the Church Members in Rome informed all of the divorced and remarried members who had a living divorced spouse that they were adulterers, living in adultery, Romans 7:2-3, "For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he lives; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.[3] So then if, while her husband lives, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man." Isn't a "Church Member" an individual
that has:
Many declare that the divorced and remarried members of the Church in Rome and in the membership of your assembly who are living in divorce & remarried adultery, were forgiven of their sin and can remain in that sinful relationship because 1 Corinthians 6:11 teaches that they were washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. One verse taken out of context within this very text of verses even though it follows two verses that strongly teach the contrary. : If adulterers are in the same list of folks found in verses 9 and 10 that include nine other lifestyle sinners that must stop their sinfulness -- does it really seem logical that these are the only lifestyle sinners that do not have to stop committing and living in their sin? Folks, this isn't a new problem. Our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, used the Apostle Paul to confront this very issue 2,000 years ago. Paul was lead of the Lord to write the following warning to the same Churches in Corinth in 56 AD concerning the unrepentant, "Church member" adulterers: Because confession is not repentance and divorce is not death, please read the following:
Exactly what...is the seriousness of the "One Flesh" situation that the divorced and the remarried...whose divorced spouses are still living, face? I'll attempt to create a word picture for me and you. Because the Word of God clearly teaches that only death dissolves the "one flesh" relationship that bonds and binds a man and a woman until the death of one of them, we'll consider a common, every day scenario illustration that you and I observe, and rub shoulders with, every day of our lives. For my illustration I'll create a marriage using the names Sue, John, Al and Jane to help us understand the REALITY of this sin. For our illustration I am not using the following names serendipitously so-as-to "NOT" point to any individuals that I know or have spoken with. The names used in the following illustration are just that, common, everyday names. 1- Sue marries John. On their honeymoon they consummate their marriage by having sexual relations and they became... "one flesh." 2- Sue divorces John. Even though Sue and John are divorced, they are still "one flesh" though they no longer share the same house or the same bed. As a matter of fact, they are so angry and bitter (good, Godly and God honoring emotions, right?) with each other that each of them moves to opposite ends of the globe to avoid ever seeing each other again. Sue once again has joined the SINGLES ranks. 3- Sue becomes lonely. She also misses all of the benefits and happy times of the married life. Because she is lonely she begins to socially circulate. After a period of time she meets Al, falls in love with Al and marries him. This is Sue's...2nd marriage but... Al's, first marriage. Romans 7:3 and 1 Corinthians 7:39 both agree that only death dissolves the one flesh relationship and not divorce ... and because John is still living, Sue's husband, John and Sue are still "one flesh". On Sue's second honeymoon, Sue and Al consummate her new 2nd....marriage and, Sue and Al become "one flesh,"...ALSO. Now three people, count them: #1- Sue; #2- John; #3- Al, are all "one flesh" because not one of them has died. 4- Sue's divorced husband John is still very much alive...and...still one flesh with Sue even though they live on opposite corners of the globe. When Al had sexual relations with Sue and consummated his "very first marriage" which was Sue's "2nd marriage", WHO ELSE WAS AL HAVING SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH?! Remember, the Word of God CLEARLY DECLARES that Sue and John are still "one flesh" until one of them DIES. Divorce is not death and death has not happened so.......when....... Al becomes "one flesh" with Sue, who is yet ..."one flesh" with John, you figure out what kind of relationship Al and John are having... "vicariously" ... and ... "in realty" ...each and every time Al has sexual relations with his wife, Sue. 5- Question: Will this scenario stop here? Not as a rule. Because Sue is remarried, her divorced husband John is still angry, hurt, lonely and telling himself and everyone he knows that ... "I'm a man, you know. I have needs, too!" {I've heard this excuse over and over and women say "I'm a woman and..."), he'll go to his friends, relatives and finally his Pastor(?) crying all over the place saying, "My ex wife is remarried, so why can't I ... get married again?!" And, today, in our 21st century modern and enlightened church, he will most-likely hear, "We can't think of a good reason. After all, Sue left you. You didn't do anything wrong!" Now John has the blessing of his pastor (lower case "p") and his church membership soooooo ... he searches for another wife and meets Jane. Even though he knows that his divorced wife Sue is alive {and they are yet, one flesh) and married to Al, John and Jane get married........anyway. John knows that Romans 7:3 teaches "So then if, while her husband lives, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man." He also knows that 1 Corinthians 7:39 teaches that "the wife is bound by the law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord." Now that John is married again the one flesh relationship has grown to four individuals: (#1)
John, his 2nd wife QUESTION: THINK ABOUT THIS BEFORE YOU DISMISS IT AS STUPID OR NONSENSE! Isn't (#1) John WHO IS ONE FLESH WITH Sue having a vicarious sexual relationship with (#4) Al because - they are all "one flesh"? YOU WHO ARE PASTORS and CHURCH FAMILY LEADERS: Will you explain to me and to those who write to me, why this divorce and remarriage adultery...isn't - Adultery even though the Word of God clearly calls divorce & remarriage with living divorced spouses --- ADULTERY? Will you also explain how that a divorce dissolves the one flesh relationship that has been the bedrock of marriage since Adam and Eve. Will you also explain how that a divorce dissolves the "until death do us part" wedding vows that only death can dissolve? A Pastor from Colorado who has classes for the divorced and remarried (how to get over the hurt and get on with life) emailed the following answer to the above questions: "We believe God's grace covers this and we hold His grace at a very high standard and man's flesh and human ability at a lower standard." Christ's reply to that Pastor and all others is: Romans 6:1-2,
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? AGAIN, YOU WHO ARE PASTORS and CHURCH FAMILY LEADERS: How many of you will not allow as members of your Church fellowship homosexuals, fornicators {folks living together outside of marriage), smokers, social drinkers and gamblers? How many of you will tell members - and even visitors that - men with long hair, or - men not wearing a dress shirt with a tie, or - women with short hair, or - women with short skirts, or - women wearing slacks... are not welcome in the worship services because these activities and fashions are not to be tolerated as appropriate for the members? How many of you will tell an individual that they cannot be members of your Church Family unless they agree to a KJV only, mandate? Yet, you have the divorced and remarried who's divorced spouses are yet living as ministry leaders and members? And many of you will actually tell a divorced and remarried member that, "Yes, you can be a member but you cannot be a Deacon because 1 Timothy 3:12 clearly states that Deacons must be the husband of one wife?" For membership -- you allow a church member to be the husband of "more than one wife" (divorce is not death) but you draw a spiritual, righteous line concerning the qualifications for Deacons? For membership, being the husband of more than one wife (the irrevocable one flesh relationship) is Ok but, not not Ok for Deacons. Question, have you really prayerfully and carefully thought through this contradiction? I can promise you this, God isn't going to tell you one thing and then tell me something different. One of us is incorrect and until you can call or email me your verses of Scripture contradicting what is above, I counsel you to adopt what is above. The divorced and remarried with living divorced spouses that are members of your church are -- sexually immoral / ADULTERERS - LEAVEN?! And, they are to repent or be removed from the membership, 1 Corinthians Chapter 5, all of it. And, repenting of this sin is very, very difficult, heart rending and physically, emotionally and financially costly. PASTORS and CHURCH FAMILY LEADERS, one day you will be required to explain your double standard to Jesus Christ, face to face. (1 Timothy 5:22; Hebrews 13:17; Matthew 12:36; 2 Corinthians 5:10) I am convinced that there is no such thing as:
(1) Easy
believism; Many of you who visit this page knew better than to remarry but - for a variety of reasons and excuses - you did anyway.
Church
member. You and I heard what the Apostle Paul wrote. What is our decision? QUESTION: There
is no such thing as easy believism, It's the high cost of our discipleship!! What is our decision?
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3 (C) The "irrevocable vows of ... until death do us part" issue. I hear three arguments over and over again from Pastors, church leaders and members; the first argument is that "we're not under the Old Testament Law". The second argument is that our God is a God of love and the third argument is, "we're under grace." Are you saying that because we're the New Testament Saints and not the Old Testament nation of Israel and that our God is a loving and merciful God, we now can make and break vows and our God is Ok with that?! Dear reader, a broken vow is a "lie." In the scenarios of divorce and / or divorce and remarriage, an individual made a vow to remain married until their death or the death of their spouse; they lied. To lie is a violation of personal integrity and it greatly alarms me that Pastors would actually think (much less teach) that God, our Righteous God, would actually "ever" consider changing His mind concerning the value of an individual New Testament Saint's integrity. Our God cannot and will not lie; cannot and will never change His mind about lying Hebrews 6:18b, "... it is impossible for God to lie,...". If you don't already know this than I'll tell you, First, Jesus Christ is God John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Second, Jesus Christ will never change His mind Hebrews 13:8, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yes and forever. And, third, if you want to argue that Jesus Christ isn't God then be aware the God of the Old Testament hasn't changed His mind either Malachi 3:6a, "For I, the Lord, do not change,..." You who want to believe that God has changed His mind concerning the New Testament and believe it is now Ok to make and break vows and lie, YOU'RE IN BIG TROUBLE. In the New Testament Church, just how serious is it to lie and / or break a vow? The following passage ends with "So great fear came upon all the church and upon all who heard these things." The real life accounts written for us in Acts 4:34 - 5:11 is what happened to a New Testament Church member man named Ananias and his Sapphira his wife who promised / vowed to sell some property and give the total "selling price" to the Church family as financial support for the poor within their Church. They lied; they sold the property and only gave the church a portion of the total sales price. Exactly the same as marriage, this was a voluntary act on their part. Selling property and giving the total sales amount to the struggling Church membership was not mandatory. No one was holding a gun to your head when you got married and no one was holding a saber to their throats when they made this promise / vow to the Church. Their problem then is your problem today, God heard their vows Acts 5:4c, "You have not lied to men but to God."
Why would God, our Loving and Merciful God (arguments # 2 & 3) take the lives of two New Testament Church Members? Jude 1:7, "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Folks, don't throw out the Old Testament! Keep your vows!! Numbers 30:2, "If a man makes a vow to the Lord, or swears an oath to bind himself by some agreement, he shall not break his word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth." Deuteronomy 23:21-23, "When you make a vow to the Lord your God, you shall not delay to pay it; for the Lord your God will surely require it of you, and it would be sin to you. [22] But if you abstain from vowing, it shall not be sin to you. [23] That which has gone from your lips you shall keep and perform, for you voluntarily vowed to the Lord your God what you have promised with your mouth." Ecclesiastes 5:4-6, "When you make a vow to God, do not delay to pay it; for He has no pleasure in fools. Pay what you have vowed-- [5] Better not to vow than to vow and not pay. [6] Do not let your mouth cause your flesh to sin, nor say before the messenger of God that it was an error. Why should God be angry at your excuse and destroy the work of your hands?" Psalm 76:11, "Make vows to the Lord your God, and pay them; Let all who are around Him bring presents to Him who ought to be feared." Proverbs 20:25, "It is a snare for a man to devote rashly something as holy, and afterward to reconsider his vows." Psalm 50:14, "Offer to God thanksgiving, And pay your vows to the Most High." What is our decision? This
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The
OVERLOOKED ISSUE:
(D) "THE IRREVOCABLE - KNOWN - CONSENSUAL
SEXUAL INTIMACY Deuteronomy 22:28-29, "If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered, [29] then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days." Much has been made of the issues of rape and "I don't love him / her any more" as reasons for many of our societies behavior, rights and privileges. For example, our government, nation, society and even our Christian society has granted abortion -- THE FIRST DEGREE MURDER OF A LIVING BABY -- on the basis of rape. Please note that according to Hebrew text of Deuteronomy 22:28 - 29, the marriage had nothing to do with a long standing courtship or love relationship. Initially, the man forced the act of sex (rape) on the woman but -- notice -- that they were discovered or -- caught in the act. The Hebrew foundation for these verses indicates that though the woman didn't agree with the initial idea of having sexual intimacy -- she didn't resist by hollering and screaming to draw attention to her plight (see verse:27). Her lack of resistance is viewed by the Lord as "consensual" sex. They are to be married (love or lack of love) and they may never get a divorce. Question: Did you and your spouse of your first vows and one flesh have "known" premarital - sexual intimacy? And, you were either caught or - you talked to your friends so others were aware of your sexual activity? What is our decision? This
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INSTRUCTIONS No Spiritual fault lines here! Ephesians 2:19-20, "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; [20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone." Matthew 5:32, "but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the cause of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. " Matthew is writing to a Jewish community and is quoting Jesus Christ. Remember the law? The law commanded that adulterers were to be stoned, NOT DIVORCED. Deuteronomy 22:22-24 "If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shall thou put away evil from Israel. [23] If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; [24] Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbor's wife: so thou shall put away evil from among you." There is something going on here that the Lord did not explain to us. This we do know, Jesus said if a man divorced his wife for any reason other than adultery (i.e. she burned his coffee), he is causing his wife to commit adultery. AND she will be an adulterer when she remarries, even though she was not guilty of the sin of adultery (i.e. she burned his coffee) when her husband divorced her. Mark 10:11-12, "So He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. [12] And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.'" Mark is quoting Jesus Christ and is addressing the Gentile perspective of divorce and remarriage. Jesus said that whoever divorces his wife, and marries another, commits adultery against her. If we believe that this man is the innocent party, why is his remarriage adultery? Whom is he committing adultery against: the wife he divorced or, the second wife he married? That this is a Gentile perspective is evident in VERSE 12, "And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery." In the Jewish society the wife was considered property. As property she had no right to divorce her husband. In the Gentile society, a wife divorcing her husband was acceptable. If we believe this woman is the innocent party, why is her remarriage adultery? Luke 16:18, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery." Dr. Luke is writing to a Greek community and he is quoting our Saviour, Jesus Christ when he writes that the man who divorces his wife and remarries is committing adultery. Can we assume from the text that the wife whom he divorced is guilty of unrepentant sexual immorality because it is stated that whoever marries her is committing adultery? There is no mention of the man being guilty of any immorality in this text or in the context. If we can assume that he is the innocent party, isn't it amazing that this innocent party is guilty of adultery and, his wife, guilty or otherwise (she burned her husband's coffee), is also guilty of adultery when she remarries?! Both are guilty of adultery. The Prophet Malachi quoted God when he wrote Malachi 2:16, God said, "I hate divorce." Consider God's personal example. He divorced Israel Jeremiah 3:8a, "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce," and has remained faithful and committed to His vows to Israel and has never remarried.
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Scriptures were written to Church members in Rome and Corinth.
They came to the worship meeting expecting to hear something
that had been written to their Church family by the apostle
Paul. These letters were read to them by their leading
Elder / Pastor Teacher. As New Testament Church
members, all of them had There is no such thing as a "blended Salvation" and / or a blended Christian Marriage:
Even before
salvation the Hebrews / Jewish community knew it was against the
law to divorce and remarry because the Apostle Paul, under the
direction of Jesus Christ / Holy Spirit confidently wrote,
"for the married woman is bound by law to her husband while
he is living". Changing their allegiance / faith from
Judaism to Christ didn't change the law.
Can it be stated or graphically pictured any clearer than this? What is our decision? This
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certainly established that any marriage that follows a divorce 1 Corinthians 5:11-13, "But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person. [12] For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? [13] But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person." 1
Corinthians 5:1 The
people -- outside -- of the Church Shame on us!!! The
following text table is my first hand "observed"
knowledge concerning
A- Undisciplined family sin represents clearly visible and / or deeply buried spiritual fault lines: NOTICE: The sinful situation in the Church at Corinth [I Corinthians chapter 5] began as a "family" sin problem: 1 Corinthians 5:1, "It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife," Textual
note: The sentence structure: "not so much as named among the Gentiles....", is thought to indicate the sin of incest, in this case, the man is incestuously involved with his father's wife (not his mother by birth) and Roman law forbids incest (Cicero Cluentes 6. 15 and Gaius Institutis 1. 63). Because the passage isn't specific as to the exact nature of this sexual sin situation, we can not be either. We do know that the sin was sexual immorality which involved a man, who was also a member of the Corinthian Church, and his step mother. It was either a sinful incestuous relationship (while his father was yet living) or that he married his step mother after his death or divorce (which, in either case, any sexual activity is considered by our Lord to be incest, Leviticus 18:8; Deuteronomy 22:22, the uncovering of his father's wife). Throughout Old and New Testament history it was not uncommon for men to marry wives who were much much younger than they were. Obviously this family didn't deal with the sexual immorality just as our families are not dealing with these problems today. Because the family refused to deal with this sin issue, it became a Church leadership and membership issue. This isn't a new 21st. Century problem. Remember Korah and his family, Numbers Chapter 16? How about Achan at Ai, Joshua Chapter 7? Or Ananias and Sapphira, Acts Chapter 5? Or Peter, Galatians 3:11-21? B-
Undisciplined Church family sin - is - clearly
visible and is based upon deeply buried 1 Corinthians 5:2, "And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you." What is our decision? This
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- D What was true of the local Corinthian Church family is also true of our Church families today. That they didn't deal with this sin issue is very obvious because the Apostle Paul, under the leadership of the Holy Spirit got involved. From this passage it is also very clear that the Corinthian Church Pastor, Deacons and other members of leadership weren't going to make waves to implement "Corporate Church Discipline" either. In fact, the words found in this passage "ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned" strongly suggests that they were guilty of the same doctrinal error of "holding truth in unrighteousness" that the Apostle Paul warned the Churches in Rome about Romans 1:18, "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness." This Church family, like so many of our Church families today, PRESUMED upon the Grace of God and adopted a destructive view of grace which assumed that Christ's salvation gave license to do what they wanted. They were glorying in grace. They were convinced that "the grace of God covers this." They rejoiced in their erroneous doctrine of grace. This sounds all too familiar, doesn't it? The Word of God warns us about the sin of presumption. First,
presumptuous sins cause individual, family, Church and
social shame and, shame upon the Numbers 15:30, "But the person who does anything presumptuously, whether he is native-born or a stranger, that one brings reproach on the Lord, and he shall be cut off from among his people." Second,
presumptuous sins, because of their very nature, are sins
that are never confessed or Psalm 19:13, "Keep back
your servant also from presumptuous sins;
Let them not have dominion over me. Then
I shall be blameless, and I shall be innocent of great
transgression." Third, presumptuous sins cause presumptuous behavior that causes contempt and shame: 2 Peter 2:10, "and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries. Notice that the Old Testament saints were commanded to exercise corporate family, social and spiritual discipline, "he shall be cut off from among his people." The Apostle Paul also commanded church discipline? Why? The Lord gives us the answer in his Word: 1 Corinthians 5:6-8, "Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? [7] Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. [8] Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth." Undisciplined sin, any undisciplined sin, is to the family and the Church as leaven is to bread. Leaven in bread, like cancer in life, spreads into every molecule of the bread dough and puffs the bread up. In fact, if you put too much leaven in bread dough, the raising bread will completely fill the oven, allowing absolutely no room for anything, not even air and would actually force open the oven door. The leaven of adulterous marriages, divorce and remarriage, has done exactly that in our local Churches. Because the membership roles are filled with the divorced and remarried as are leadership positions - anyone daring to stand on the Word of God in opposition to these adulterous marriages are, just as too much leaven in bread baking in the oven - pushed out the doors of the Church FELLOWSHIP AND membership. Good is called evil and evil is called good. Again, this isn't a new, 21st. Century issue: Malachi
2:17 And what is the context of God's frustration and anger (and remember this is in the context of presumptuous sins), Malachi 2:13-17, "And this is the second thing you do: You cover the altar of the Lord with tears, with weeping and crying; so He does not regard the offering anymore, nor receive it with goodwill from your hands. [14] Yet you say, "For what reason?" Because the Lord has been witness between you and the wife of your youth, with whom you have dealt treacherously; yet she is your companion and your wife by covenant. [15] But did He not make them one, having a remnant of the Spirit? And why one? He seeks godly offspring. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth. [16] "For the Lord God of Israel says that He hates divorce, for it covers one's garment with violence," says the Lord of hosts. "Therefore take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously." [17] You have wearied the Lord with your words; Yet you say, "In what way have we wearied Him?" In that you say, "Everyone who does evil Is good in the sight of the Lord, and He delights in them," Or, "Where is the God of justice?" Reader, in plain, modern English: Verse
14a, God witnessed the fact
that you divorced your spouse, your spouse of your wedding Verse
14b, Even though you have
divorced your spouse, in My eyes, because of your irrevocable Verse
16, God hates divorce because
divorce is an act of personal violence one-against-another. Verse
17, No matter what you might
believe about your act of violence, don't call your divorce
Sin destroys bridges and our fellowship with God, our spouses, our family, our friends and our acquaintances. God forbids that we have any fellowship with Christians who are willfully engaged in the leaven of malice and wickedness. We are not supposed to even eat with "Christians" who willfully remain in this AND OTHER sins. This was the family and church discipline that Christ demanded through the Apostle Paul!! BECAUSE Church discipline worked (read 2 Corinthians Chapter:3), the family and the Church at Corinth were reunited!! PRAISE GOD!! Discipline that is properly obeyed and implemented, works! Parents, you know from personal experience that family discipline has always been painful and will always be painful (from the cradle to the grave). Because our children have become grown adults who no longer live under our roofs, is no excuse for us to fail them and our Lord with regard to our parental obedience concerning family discipline. We are yet their parents and still accountable to God. We don't make the rules for family discipline or marriage. Jesus Christ, who is God, made the rules and He too -- knows the personal pain. He too lives with His discipline of His children. Remember, Adam and Eve were his first children and we still live with His family discipline. Christ and His wisdom made the rules concerning family and marriage. What ever our age may be, we still must obey His commands if we are to be His disciples. We cannot approach our salvation, our discipleship, our lives, our obedience, our marriage and our family as we would a smorgasbord meal. If Christ's salvation were a smorgasbord salvation then we could just obey what is pleasant and ignore what is unpleasant.
Are you reading this as a professing Christian? Are you in an adulterous marriage? Don't you have to obey the Word of God? If you are a Christian parent, Grandparent, aunt, uncle, brother, sister, friend etc. and one of your Christian loved ones or Christian friends is in an adulterous relationship, don't you have to obey the Word of God and... discipline that friend or loved one? Please read the following as I am going to use our God and Father and His discipline of the nation of Israel as our example as to the IMPORTANCE and "THE WHY" OF FAMILY DISCIPLINE, please read Ezekiel 20: 8-32: Let's set the stage for our understanding: From the very beginning of Israel's history God told His children exactly what He expected of them, what was acceptable and what was not acceptable. My wife and I certainly did that with our sons, did you do something, similar? When God's children sinned He explained to them what they had done, when they did it, what the consequences would be and gave them opportunity to confess, repent and change their direction. Isn't that what we did as parents as our children were growing up? Because God's expectations were righteous in manner and His discipline was generally known to neighboring city states and countries, those neighboring city states and countries had different expectations concerning the nation of Israel then they had for other neighboring city states and countries that were not under our God's instructions, laws and covenants. The same is true for Christian parents and families. Our neighbors and our children's friends knew our family expectations, what we taught and disciplined our children for, didn't they? Why? Our children usually had to tell them why they were being disciplined which was generally more painful for our children than the discipline, itself. As we read Ezekiel 20: 8-32 and observe God's discipline of His children, what must we learn from His example concerning our own track record as parents as we raised our children? Israel's Sin and God's Discipline: Ezekiel 20:8 God tells His children they are rebellious and disobedient and His discipline is sure, "But they rebelled against Me and would not obey Me. They did not all cast away the abominations which were before their eyes, nor did they forsake the idols of Egypt. Then I said, 'I will pour out My fury on them and fulfill My anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt." God explains the "why" of His discipline: Ezekiel 20:9 God tells His children that discipline is sure because HE DOESN'T WANT THE NEIGHBORING CITY STATES AND NATIONS TO BELIEVE FOR EVEN A MOMENT THAT HE HAD CHANGED HIS MIND CONCERNING SIN, "But I acted for My name's sake, that it should not be profaned before the Gentiles among whom they were, in whose sight I had made Myself known to them, to bring them out of the land of Egypt."Again, Israel's Sin and God's Discipline: Ezekiel 20:13 Again God tells His children they are rebellious and disobedient and His discipline is sure, "Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, 'which, if a man does, he shall live by them'; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them." Again, God explains the "why" of His discipline: Ezekiel 20:14 And again God tells His children that discipline is sure because HE DOESN'T WANT THE NEIGHBORING CITY STATES AND NATIONS TO BELIEVE FOR EVEN A MOMENT THAT HE HAD CHANGED HIS MIND CONCERNING SIN, "But I acted for My name's sake, that it should not be profaned before the Gentiles, in whose sight I had brought them out."This pattern of God's warnings and explanations continues through the remainder of Ezekiel chapter 20. Parents and Grandparents, what do we learn for our God's example? 1-
We discipline our adult children because
we taught them God's and our expectations when 2-
We discipline our adult children
because we must not disobey our God;
[1 Samuel 3:13; 3-
We discipline our adult children
because they expect us to. As Parents and Grandparents we 4-
We discipline our adult children
because we, like our God, Lord and Saviour do not want our Parents and Grandparents of adult children, if you have not and are not disciplining that loved one or friend -- I beg you to repent of your sin before it is eternally too late. I have some questions with eternal consequences: 1-
Would you and
I rather lose their friendship and fellowship now -- in this
life time or, risk losing 2-
Do you and I
esteem greater, life's temporary friendships and fellowships or
eternal friendships 3- Do you and I esteem greater, Christ's approval or our friends and families approval? The choice is yours and mine, no one else's! The following is a Personal Testimony of Obedient Parents of Five Adult Children: They sent me an email entitled, "can't believe you're a Baptist" "Reading through your Online literature on so many Bible subjects....especially the one on permanence of marriage.....I was surprised you are a Baptist....because most Baptists (and most Christians) I know....believe its "OK" (no problem) to marry again after a divorce. I find it refreshing to know you also believe in 'discipline' of adult family members if they refuse to repent of their adulteress life style (or any other type of un-repented sin) How does this hold with the head (superintendent) of your Baptist affiliation?" My lengthy reply to their email began with, "First, please understand that I am not a Baptist, I am a "Born Again" Christian and a Biblicist. It is true that I am an ordained "Minister of the Word of God" from an "independent" Baptist Church family and that I have Pastored Baptist & Bible Churches and started two Bible Churches. I am not now and have never been a Baptist, I am a "Biblicists...". my email reply was answered by the following, unexpected, personal, "Parental" testimony of obedience to the Word of God that these parents (married 52 years) learned by -- studying the Word of God and then -- obeying the word of god: "Wow! I didn't expect a response from you....thank you. My husband and I (of almost 52 years) could relate to so much of what you said. I remember in 1996 when my husband got back into The Word and was 'trying' to show me for three years, very patiently...using scripture....that we can't keep on sinning and expect to make it. (heaven/eternal life with the Lord) I was immersed in the latest modern teaching tapes by a guy who was teaching Law and Grace on the radio. I had them almost memorized and 'knew' he was teaching truth...because he used 'scripture.' Some statements gave me a knee-jerk reaction...such as, "All this accidental sinning is baloney! I plan my sins, don't you?!" But he was telling me what I wanted to hear...we can keep on sinning and still make it because we are saved by the grace of God and are not under the Law...using his choice scriptures to back-up his teaching. I no longer bothered to check his claims with the Word of God.....in fact....was no longer reading ANYTHING in the Bible.....just kept listening to those precious tapes of his. At this time my husband and I had our 'show down.' I wasn't very calm when I asked my husband: "Well, don't you think I'm saved?" "I don't know!" That got me mad! "Don't you think our kids (5 adults) are saved?"...."I don't know!" (Really mad, now!)....."Well, even the apostles called people 'brother' in the Bible.....they knew if people were saved!"......."I don't have a problem calling anyone brother...but I'm not about to go around saying who's saved and who isn't!" I knew my husband was right....I had lost the argument....it also came to me that it's not up to us to decide who's saved or not...every individual has to make that decision. The next day I was typing some scriptures for my husband to give to a lady we knew and came across: "If we claim to live in Him, we must walk as Jesus did." 1 John At that precise moment The Holy Spirit hit me over the head with a holy two-by-four and The Word of God, once again, became my final authority on Truth. I would pick-up my Bible after that and was so overwhelmed when I would read just one verse of scripture....I'd have to put it down and let the power of The Word soak into my soul. I started sharing what we had learn with our 5 adult kids and others. Eventually 4 of them started reading The Word for themselves and their eyes, too, were opened to more Truth. This was preparing us for what happening in 2002 when our oldest son met a divorced woman and wanted our blessing on this marriage. I asked "the woman" what Jesus wanted her to do in her situation? She (belongs to a church that is primary involved in missionary work) told me, "Well, the Bible says I should remain single or else be reconciled with my husband." We thought she saw the light and that would be the end of it. Our son had asked a question, 2 months before that, if it's wrong to marry a divorced person? 'Yes it is,' was my answer, the scriptures tell us so.'...."That's what I believe, too." was our son's reply. But the wayward wife with her seductive words who left the husband of her youth and ignored the covenant she made before God (Proverbs 2) was not about to let this handsome, single young man who is well-off and has a great business....slip by the wayside. How foolish men can be....by the seductive words of a beautiful body.....who also claims to be a 'born again' believer and attends 'church' every Sunday....probably twice a week. This lead to our decision as parents that we must make our stand. Finally, after several talks with her pastor (who didn't have enough power of God in him to blow bread crumbs off his Bible) and my husband insisting that he get a chance to talk to the church congregation (which he did) and told our son that we would be there to protest the wedding....they decided to get married where the woman first 'got saved.' We told our son that if he continues to live in adultery, please leave us alone, don't bother bringing the woman to our place and if and when you repent of your adultery we will bring-out-the-fatted-calf and celebrate. But, when someone deliberately, knowingly defies the teachings of Jesus.....then tell us they 'prayed' about it and The Holy Spirit gave them permission to do it....they are walking on dangerous ground. My husband told the family, "If I have to make a decision to please Jesus or our son...I'll pick Jesus every time." Our stand has given our other 4 adult children strength to make a stand with their brother too.....oh yes....and our grandchildren. They had to search the scripture for themselves. Our belief is that people must be free to live for Jesus; He doesn't force anyone to follow Him. Since 1972, when we were first filled with God's Spirit, we've been set-free from the Catholic church and 5 different Protestant religions and groups. I once told our granddaughter that she was free to do what ever she wanted. "But remember this sweetie.....your gramma and granpa are free to follow and obey the teachings of Jesus and we will!" Our youngest son, trying to understand all this, once asked me, "If a man and a woman who had been divorced and then married each other, and were stranded on a desert island and gave their hearts to Jesus....what would they have to do?"......Of course we were both chuckling about this 'strange' scenario...but I told him if it was really Jesus involved here...they would no longer live together as man and wife. "Here's another scenario," I told my son. "Suppose there were two homosexuals married to each other with adopted kids and stranded on this same island, and they came to Jesus...what would they have to do?" My son became very silent and sober, his eyes got bigger with astonishment, and all he could say was: "It's a mess! It's a big mess!" I've asked people where do practicing homosexuals go...to Hell # 1 or Hell # 2? Where do adulterers go? This was the hardest thing my husband and I ever had to do, because we knew the world and church world were on their side. When anyone makes a stand for righteousness and takes-up their cross to follow Jesus.....you become the "bad guy". We've been accused of being unloving, full of hate, judgmental, etc etc. But you know what? When you do make a stand for what's right..... against all odds of the world and the church world.....guess what? Jesus promises to be with you and lo and behold....you no longer are the scared, wimpy little doggie.....He gives you strength you thought you could never possibly have! Praise His Holy Name....Forever!" Question, if we have an adult child that is willfully disobeying man's law, and, if confession "of" and repentance "for" his lawlessness meant going to jail, as Christian parents, what would our counsel be to that adult child? Would our counsel be different if that child was married and had children? After he confessed, repented and went to jail, as parents and extended family members, what would we do for him and his family? What do even the majority of unsaved parents do for their incarcerated adult children and their families wives, husbands and grand children? I am very much aware that what I have taught you from the Word of God is difficult and, if this is the first time you have come face to face with the truth of the Word of God concerning family discipline of this sin, it may be overwhelming. Please don't tell me that it is too difficult for you and that you just can not do it. You may say to me and the Lord "I won't do this!" and that would be true. To say "I can't", my wife and I know better. What I've taught you above and what you are about to learn from the information below -- I am teaching from "personal experience" and from my Wife's and my "personal family counsel". Even Pastor's adult children can and sometimes do -- rebel against everything they have been taught and in some cases, they even violate what they [the adult child] has taught to others. I'm not teaching you some abstract "preacher" stuff. It is our experience that disciplining an adult child is VERY PAINFUL / AGONIZING and personally EXPENSIVE. My wife and I have learned the following: 1- Disciplining an adult child is VERY PAINFUL, AGONIZING and personally EXPENSIVE because it means losing the friendship and fellowship of an adult child that you have loved for that child's lifetime, raised and lovingly trained, counseled with excited expectations as you were looking forward to their adulthood with all of the expectations that adult children can bring into your life, i.e., their marriage, their spouse, their children, their careers etc., etc. and etc. 2- Disciplining an adult child is VERY PAINFUL, AGONIZING and personally EXPENSIVE because it isn't popular with yourself, your extended family, friends, peers, business associates etc., often, even your Pastor and Church family. How can it be popular when the average local church has a divorce rate of nearly 50% and a "divorce and remarriage" rate in excess of 43%? How can it be popular when many of our local churches have a divorced and remarried pastor and members of the elder and deacon boards which is a blatant violation of 1 Corinthians 5:11; 7:39; 1 Timothy 3:2-13; Titus 1:6? 3- Disciplining an adult child is VERY PAINFUL, AGONIZING and personally EXPENSIVE because by -- simply looking around you in your place of employment, where you play, travel and enjoy social activities -- you quickly realize that the majority of those who are in close proximity to you [psychologically known as "in your personal space"] are, divorced and remarried. They will not understand you! 4- Disciplining an adult child is VERY PAINFUL, AGONIZING and personally EXPENSIVE because, depending upon your life's work i.e. Pastor - Shepherd, Local Church ministry, a position with a Christian college and seminary, Missionary with a mission and missionary board etc., you may lose your livelihood and discover that you are no longer wanted as a servant of God. Why? Because many of our local churches have a divorced and remarried pastor, divorced and remarried members and divorced and remarried elder and deacon board members. Why are the above really a factor or even true? Remember Noah? Hebrews
11:7 When we discipline an adult child, as it was true of Noah that his act of faithful obedience saved some [only himself, his wife and their sons and daughters-in-law] -- AND at the same time condemned everyone around him who was guilty of willful and unrepentant sin, our faithful obedience to our Lord and Saviour will save a few [experience is teaching me, very few] and condemn the majority. Just look around you, is there anyone that you know that hasn't experienced the tragedy of divorce and or the tragedy divorce and remarriage within their family or sphere of friends and acquaintances? Question: As Truly Born Again Christian Parents or Grandparents, should the disapproval by anyone other than our Lord, God and Saviour, Jesus Christ, have any influence upon our decision to obey our Lord and Saviour concerning the discipline of our disobedient adult children? My answer and that of my loving Wife and Mother of our three adult sons is, no. As an encouragement I'll quote what Joshua would say to us in our 21st. century Church and society, "Today, you choose who you are going to serve and obey, the disobedient church and society or the Lord. As for me and my Wife, we will obey and serve the Lord. [Joshua 24:15 my own paraphrase] If you as a Christian are reading this, and you are in an adulterous marriage, repentance means to "turn from" or, in plain English, stop it!! If you are in an adulterous marriage -- get out of that sinful relationship. Confess to those who warned you that you willfully sinned against the Lord by not following their counsel "to not remarry while your divorced spouse was still living." Confess your willful sin before your Pastor, Church leadership and your Church family. Confess to your family and friends that you willfully sinned against the Lord and His Word and reestablish those broken family and friendship relationships that were strained or destroyed by your remarriage. 1 John 1:6-7 is very clear about sin and its relationship to fellowship: Verse:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: [7] But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin. " If you're not having fellowship with those who previously warned you, it's you that's out of fellowship -- not your family and friends! Don't continue running around in your little world blaming others (i.e. Dad and Mom, Brothers and Sisters, Grandpa and Grandma etc.) because you and your family never visit, call, write or keep in touch. If they warned you and you disobeyed them and they are "truly" Born Again parents, they haven't remained angry. They have distanced themselves from you out of obedience to Christ and His Word, they're deeply hurt, deeply disappointed and very very concerned about your eternal reward and that of your family, but they are not hostile. True Christian love never fails those they love: 1 Corinthians 13:8, "Love never fails." Yes, true Christian love disciplines: Proverbs 13:24, "He who spares his rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him promptly." Even adult sons, daughters, nieces and nephews etc. On occasion it is even necessary to discipline erring parents, grandparents, uncles and aunts when they willfully violate the Word of God and refuse to repent. It is never easy but -- in obedience to Christ and His Word -- it is necessary. Do you suppose Joseph was exercising family discipline when -- as a ruler over all of Egypt for more than seven years and had all of the Egyptian armies at his personal command for his personal protection -- he never visited his family (Genesis 41: 37 - 42:8 especially 41:51b) but waited for his family to come to him to confess and repent of their sins against him and His Lord? Praise the Lord!! God keeps accurate records and rewards according to righteousness. Those of you that have walked away from your parents, family and friends because of your adulterous marriage, you personally hold the keys to that fellowship in your own hand. You "alone" can repair that bridge you willfully destroyed. First -- repent of your sin; Reconcile with the Word of God and your LORD (He is "the" Lord ... not just ... "a" Saviour). Having done that, because your parents, family and friends are Truly Born Again, when you arrive at their homes, put the key that you hold in your own hand into the doors of their hearts and homes and you will discover that the door isn't locked... but ...is wide open to you and your family. Before you
walked away from your family, I suspect that many of you heard
something similar said to the divorced individual you were considering as your
spouse, Because your family {Parents, Brothers, Sisters, Grandparents etc.) are Truly Born Again and love you, your spouse and your family with an uncompromising love, they will walk with you and help you reestablish a correct relationship with your spouse and life in general. As well, with the Lord's leading and direction, your parents, family and friends will do everything that is humanly possible to assure you of success in all of your lives because love not only never fails but love "rejoices in the truth" (1 Corinthians 13:6). Question: Do I, the author of this page, understand the ramifications of two individuals, one husband and one wife, especially with children -- out of pure obedience to the Word of God -- divorcing each other so that they are no longer legally married, no longer having sexual intimacy and no longer living under the same roof together? I understand the following: 1-
Unlike the usual christians who, in total
violation of the Word of God 1 Corinthians
6:1-8, as adversaries who spitefully and hatefully
seek a divorce before an earthly judge and asking that earthly judge to judge
between them, totally guilty of destroying all Christian witness,
you have already judged yourselves
out of your mutual love and concern
for your spouse and their Eternality. And, before all, you are
establishing obedience to the Word of God in accordance to 1
Corinthians 6:2-4. You
are not adversaries, you are not seeking an earthly judge to judge,
and you are simply
following the laws of the land concerning the legalization and
recording of an earthly divorce. You
are establishing a Christian witness and testimony before your family,
your friends, your Church Family, the earthly Judge and all others who know and
hear of you. If
you married into an adulterous marriage Out
of obedience to their Lord and His word,
When you obey the Word of God and reestablish your relationship with the Son of God, your family, your friends and your acquaintances -- you will have a testimony and ministry to countless thousands around you that only the confessed, repentant and reconciled -- previously -- divorced and remarried can have 2 Corinthians 1:2-4, Philippians 4:13, 19. There is no such doctrine as painless repentance including ... it's easier to get forgiveness than permission and low investment spirituality with expected high returns. As a disciple, Christ paid the price and bought you and me with His shed blood at Calvary. Our investment in our Christian life began at the moment of our salvation. What is our decision? This
is my personal Mailbox for Email. _____________________________________________________________
Pastors know that remarriage is a sin but... for the reasons that I have repeated to you at the beginning of this page and especially the reason of "I have a family to feed and...I don't know what I would do if I wasn't a pastor," they remain silent and damn souls to hell. In clear, plain English, these pastors are disobedient hirelings WHO ARE MORE CONCERNED FOR THEIR OWN BELLIES!
Question: Has
the proliferation of divorce and remarriage strengthened
the Church, What is our decision? This
is my personal Mailbox for Email. _____________________________________________________________
The purpose for discipline is to correct. To draw, with Christian discipline, erring family and friends back to obedience to the Word of God. Discipline isn't easy or pleasant. It always hurts the ones disciplining far more than the one being disciplined. Any parent knows this truth from experience. Our families are not exercising discipline and this disobedience is a grievous sin! James 4:17, "Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin." Our Churches are not exercising discipline and this too, is a grievous sin! John 9:31, "Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him." As the "Church of the Living God, the Pillar and Ground of Truth" 1 Timothy 3:15, we have not obeyed the clear Word of God because we haven't exercised Biblical discipline as families or as Church families. Divorce AND divorce / remarriage is now the FAMILY, CHURCH AND NATIONAL PLAGUE, Galatians 6:7!! It is destroying the fabric of marriage and culture like an AIDS epidemic! No one is spared the hurt, heartache, despair and IRREPARABLE DAMAGE!!! Over the years my wife and I have observed this plague spread through family after family and church after church. It usually begins with only "one" person, one person who has the Biblical grounds for divorce: unrepentant immorality. After the divorce they decide, against all they previously said they believed and / or taught as a parent, a pastor, a Sunday School teacher, a youth leader, etc., etc to... remarry. When asked why you will hear one of the reasons previously listed i.e. "I'm human and I have needs." It is at this time that their personal families need to step forward with Godly grace, love and the word of God and exercise "family discipline." When this doesn't happen the... "apostasy" 2 Thessalonians 2:3, ...begins a family epidemic Galatians 6:7 which then spreads throughout the family. Over the past 20 plus years, I have watched as single - influential - families have turned the heads and hearts of pastors and Christian leaders from the truth of the Word of God. The epidemic destroyed the pastors families, ministries, local churches and are in the process of destroying pastors families, ministries and local churches across our nation and the world. Truly, judgment has begun with the house of the Lord 1 Peter 4:17, "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" ALL
ARE DAMAGED, WHO
NEEDS CHRIST?! AND HIS SALVATION?!! Our Ivy League Universities are pleading with the Christian Community to "get its act together concerning family and marriage" for the youth's sake. In Colorado, a legislator is proposing that public "ATTA - BOY CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION" be given in public ceremonies honoring couples who have remained married for 25 years and 50 years to strengthen marriages in Colorado...for the sake of the children. The Colorado state legislator is proposing that all married couples who are seeking a divorce must wait for one full year and seek professional marriage counseling -- before being granted a divorce -- for the sake of the children. THE ROCKS OF THE GROUND ARE CRYING OUT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT!!!
CHRISTIAN!!! TELL
EVERYONE YOU KNOW The death of a spouse is His only exception!!! What is our decision? This
is my personal Mailbox for Email. _____________________________________________________________
IV-
The Born Again
divorced Christian has a "God
Ordained ministry" that only they can The key verses to your ministry are: 2
Corinthians 1:2-4 Philippians 4:13, "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Philippians
4:19,
"And my God shall supply all your need according to His riches
in glory by Christ Jesus." Note: If you have come directly to this section without reading the sections pertaining to "remarriage that follows the divorce," you really must do that. This section is only for those who sincerely desire direction for their personal lives and ministries because they agree with our Lord that remarriage is out of the question / not an option -- while their divorced spouse is still living. **First
we need to establish that
"remarriage" while the divorced spouse is still living is
not part of
**Also,
we need to establish that
the only divorce that will ever have Christ's approval is a
**And,
it must also be established that when a divorce does take place,
right, wrong or, in
**Obviously,
if a person has gotten a divorce for reasons other than the
"unrepentant, sexual
**And,
every effort must be made to reconcile with the divorced spouse and
all others.
NOTE: The following link http://www.iblp.org/ - Mr. Bill Gothard and the "Institute in Basic Life Principles" - is a link to one of America's most trusted Christian organizations which is solely devoted to the instruction and discipleship of Christian principles for daily living and family. Two of the most valuable and outstanding works of Christian literature that you will ever have in your home to help you through these difficult days are or as instructional tools for your personal work and witness: **The
True Significance of The wedding Covenant. An "Institute in Basic Life Principles" **LIFE NOTEBOOK, CHARACTER
CURRICULUM SERIES; "REBUILDER'S
The table of contents for goals of the
rebuilder curriculum series is: I encourage every family, Pastor, Missionary or Christian servant to attend a Institute in Basic Life Principles Basic and Advanced seminars and - every Pastor and Missionary should attend the Minister's seminars when ever possible. BEFORE GOING ANY FARTHER, you and I must agree with the Word of God that there is no such thing as "painless repentance." If you can not agree with this basic of all doctrines, than go no farther because you simply do not want reconciliation and forgiveness -- you just want your own way. You already have more conflicts with the Lord and others than you really want to answer for in one life time so -- don't continue wasting your time with this page. You're not a happy Christian now and you simply will not improve that condition by reading this page. **Next, because divorce is a very "public" ordeal that compromises the Lord's testimony and the testimony of the local Church, the next step in discipleship and personal ministry is to publicly confess before the Church membership that your divorce is sin.
**As
a sin, just as all other sins, there
must be repentance of the sin and reconciliation
Having said the above Christian service for a divorced Born Again Christian is possible. It is my conviction and practice that men and women who are divorced and not remarried while their divorced spouse is still living, and: 1) EVEN THOUGH THEY:
2)
IF THEY WERE THE SPOUSE CAUSING the destruction of their marriage
and
**There are only two re-marriages that will ever have God's approval after a divorce: #1-
the reconciliatory remarriage of the divorced
husband and wife as-long-as 1 Corinthians 7:11, "But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife." #2- the marriage following the death of the divorced spouse, 1 Corinthians 7:39, "A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord." **Remarriage to a divorced spouse who has married another in the interim is forbidden: Jeremiah 3:1a, "They say, 'If a man divorces his wife, and she goes from him and becomes another man's, may he return to her again?' Would not that land be greatly polluted?" Deuteronomy 24:1-4, "When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, [2] when she has departed from his house, and goes and becomes another man's wife, [3] if the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife, [4] then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance." Some key verses to your life and ministry are: Romans 1:17, "For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith." Psalm 23:1-6, A Psalm of David. "The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. [2] He makes me to lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside the still waters. [3] He restores my soul; He leads me in the paths of righteousness For His name's sake. [4] Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; For You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me. [5] You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; My cup runs over. [6] Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me All the days of my life; And I will dwell in the house of the Lord Forever." 2 Corinthians 1:2-4, "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. [3] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, [4] who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God." Philippians 4:13, "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Philippians 4:19, "And my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus." Hebrews 13:5-6, "Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." [6] So we may boldly say: "The Lord is my helper; What can man do to me?" Summary: I will not pretend to know how you feel, I'm not a divorced man and I've never been a divorced man. Even though I'm not a divorced individual -- I can tell you what it means to walk in obedience to the Word of God and live by faith when, in the terms of today's vernacular, "life has thrown me a curve ball" or "dealt me a playing hand" that seemed humanly impossible to survive or even live with: (1) I know from experience what it is to have a family to raise, bills to pay, a budget that can not be budgeted, health that will not allow me to fully function and then, at that same time --- lose my total income! (2) I also know from experience the high price of obedience that "Truly Born Again Believers" pay when we stand fast on the Word of God and obey our Saviour when we "personally" have an adult child or a close "extended" family member deliberately disobey the Word of God they were taught (and even the very truths that they, themselves, taught) and then marry into an adulterous marriage. A Pastor friend made the statement about our situation, "Now it's right up close and personal. Now we'll see what Bob will do." Yes, just like many of you who read this and have written to me, I have experienced, betrayal. I have experienced folks very close and very personal to me set out to deliberately destroy my good name, my testimony, my marriage, my family, my ministry and -- if it were possible for them to accomplish -- destroy me. I've lived long enough and studied the Word of God thoroughly enough to recognize that (1) what I have described as having happened and continues to happen to me, has happened in part or in whole to each and every dedicated servant of God that is mentioned in, the Word of God. I am observant enough to recognize that. (2) What has happened to me in my life time has happened and is happening to people all around me at this very moment. Our ministry in the hearts and lives of those around us is simply continue to live in obedience to the word of God by demonstrating "steadfastness and perseverance" while trusting in the faithfulness of our loving heavenly father and in his Son, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, for all of our needs and protection. We must continue to live our lives and trust in the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ’s ability to intercede for us with the father when we have no clue what to do. [Romans 8:26-28; 1 John 2:1-2]. What is the nature of our struggle? Hebrews 13:5-6,
"Let your conduct be (A)
without covetousness; (B) be content
with such things (A)
Without covetousness; -- Don't allow my "I wanter" to
over rule my "I needer." John
9:31, "Now we know that God
does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does
His will, He hears him." Don't
doubt but -- trust that God keeps His Word. If
we are in fellowship with Him He promises "And my God shall
supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ
Jesus" Because
God never lies about
His promises, we will have a ministry
to others who are "going through exactly the same circumstances
we are," we will be able to explain, from our own
experiences, just how God met and exceeded our personal, emotional,
mental, physical and spiritual needs. We can "show and
tell" folks the love and provisions of Christ for their
encouragement and salvation. Because of our personal testimony
to others we will be able testify to them that
with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God" -- to build bridges of confidence, courage and trust in our Saviour's love and salvation for their lives by telling them, step-by-step how He walked with us through our struggles, heartaches and disappointments. Look around you. How many people within the sound of your voice at home, at work, at play and in the church are going through exactly what you are going through? Witness and minister to their needs. That's your ministry and no one else is more qualified than you are. Don't forget Joseph's betrayal by his brothers, David's betrayal by King Saul, his friends and his nation. How do you suppose David penned Psalm 23:1-6, A Psalm of David. "The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. [2] He makes me to lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside the still waters. [3] He restores my soul; He leads me in the paths of righteousness For His name's sake. [4] Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; For You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me. [5] You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; My cup runs over. [6] Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me All the days of my life; And I will dwell in the house of the Lord Forever." Always remember that God is too wise to make mistakes and too loving to be unkind. I promise you on the Word of God that if you will trust in "the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, the just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17, you will never be disappointed in Him, His love, His protection or His provisions. He hasn't allowed you to come this far just so that He can embarrass and destroy you. The Christian life is "faith onto faith," "grace onto grace" and "victory onto victory." A little faith exercised -- develops into greater faith. A little of God's wonderful grace exercised -- develops into greater grace. Would you and I expect to win a little war just to go out and fight a smaller war? No. God gives us a victory in a small war so that we will have courage to get involved in bigger wars and experience even greater victories so that we can minister encouragement to others by sharing our victories with others 2 Corinthians 1:3-4, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, [4] Who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God." No, I'm not a divorced woman (or man) with several children to feed and clothe. That's true. And, I have never been a divorced man with several children to care for, but I have experienced God's wonderful love, protection and miraculous provisions for me and mine for years and years and years [I'm in my 60s so I'm no Johnnie-come-lately -- hot house ... Christian preacher boy, either]. Trust Him, my wife and I do. My wife is a three time cancer survivor including a lobectomy. Due to industrial related injuries I've had over 20 surgeries. We could write a book about our Lord and Saviour's protection and provisions. I'm content with a web page. This
is my personal Mailbox for Email. _____________________________________________________________
Personal note: Folks. Please don't look at this section title and say, "Praise the Lord. I knew I had a ministry!" Yes, you certainly do have a "potential" ministry but your -- potential ministry -- will have a very high and long term -- personal cost. Years ago we had a situation that involved two of our sons and known family discipline. The boys did something in disobedience and received the warning, "if you do that again both of you will will be spanked." Less than one hour had passed since my warning when they did exactly the same thing -- right in front of me. I was amazed and asked each of them if they remembered my warning. Both sons nodded their young heads... yes. I asked each of them if they didn't believe the warning. They stood silent for a moment and then the older of the two looked at me and said -- "we talked it over and we decided that it was worth it (a spanking)". Folks, my wife and I have talked to and counseled the divorced and remarried for over 30 years. We began long before we went into full time ministry. In all of these years only a handful of people have said they didn't have serious misgivings about remarriage. The vast majority have said that they really believed that remarriage was "wrong / sin" yet -- they remarried anyway. In other words, "remarriage is worth God's spanking." God's Word teaches -- and -- Biblical and historical records all reveal that any and all blatant disobedience has a very high, personal cost and this sin has a particularly high personal cost that usually involves many more than just the original man and woman / husband and wife. I am convinced that what was true in Noah's day is also true today. For over 100 years Noah preached God's warnings concerning the overwhelming -- cultural violation of the sanctity and permanence of marriage (Read Genesis 6:1-5 and Matthew 24:38) and the forthcoming judgment. Yet -- when the ark floated, only eight people out of an estimated 2.25 to 2.5 billion people -- world wide, were willing to obey the word of the Lord, make the sacrifices for righteousness and pay the price for obedience. Please recall that only Noah and his wife, Noah's three sons and their wives believed and were saved. None of Noah's friends (the Word of God tells us that his father died five years before the flood but...his mother (?), aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces etc., etc.., etc. believed and got on board that ark. The
following "NOAH"
chart is just a reminder as to what God means
These folks have a huge and exponentially growing -- potential -- ministry because the vast majority of the Pastors that I know and have talked with, the Christian writers and publishers, available Christian literature, church leaders, churches and families haven't even thought this issue through. The reactions and activities surrounding divorce and remarriage over the past 30 to 40 years have been "reactionary" in nature, position, direction and implementation. At this time in our history there are only two very clear and very very deep ruts running through life's landscape. The, "for
remarriage - rut" and the "against
remarriage - rut." Sad but true, the folks in the "for remarriage - rut" -- other than for a marriage that follows the death of a spouse -- have no Scriptural foundations and the folks in the "against remarriage - rut" have demonstrated very little grace (I've been there and done that) and have given no solutions for repentance, reconciliation and restoration. Ezra chapter 10 -- is -- our Old Testament example of obedient reconciliation to our Lord and our God. Ezra is an example of the Old Testament law and the harshness of the law. Under grace, the New Testament saints have many privileges that God rarely allowed for the Old Testament saints that missed the mark. Even under grace -- the personal cost for repentance, reconciliation and restoration is very harsh, especially for those among us who have bought into the "easy believism and painless repentance -- get them saved; get them wet and put them to work" theology promoted over the past 30 to 40 years. The personal cost for these folks is very high and potentially -- very long. Only those who are willing to be obedient to the Word of God will have the potential to minister to the divorced / remarried, their own family, their own Pastor, Church and community. Their potential personal ministry will help contain and eventually stop this growing marriage crisis!! The Word of God has the solution to the 21st. century divorce and remarriage dilemma and has taught that solution for over 2500 years. 30 to 40 years ago the Fundamental Christian Church and the Christian community only partially -- applied and enacted Biblical principles for resolution. In those years the Church and Christian community enacted Church and community discipline but, to my recollection and knowledge, the Biblical principles for resolution were never discussed, taught, encouraged or followed. Discipline without steps for reconciliation is unreasonable, harsh, cruel and without Biblical foundation. Having said that, please do not come to this page and then go directly to this section without first reading SECTIONS I, II and III unless the Lord through His Word and Spirit has convinced you that your remarriage following your divorce -- while your divorced spouse is still living... is ...adultery. The following sections will answer the following three questions: (A) What is the situation of the remarried person with a divorced spouse still living? (B) What must the divorced and remarried whose divorced spouse is still living -- do? (C) What is the obedient couples God ordained ministry? (A) What is the situation of the remarried person with a divorced spouse still living? The very first thing you must do -- is -- decide who -- or -- what are you going to believe? QUESTION: How trustworthy are the following Church leaders? **A number of years ago I had a very serious injury due to an industrial accident. A Pastor in a neighboring city thought it would be very helpful if my wife and I became members of his ministry and gave him a helping hand. Before joining his ministry I gave him my "Philosophy of Ministry" manuscript that gives great detail about our convictions concerning divorce and divorce / remarriage. After several months of helping the ministry by teaching a singles and married couples class, one of the deacons called and asked to meet with me at a restaurant that was convenient to both of us so we could talk. He started the conversation by telling me that he was divorced and remarried and "he was very sure that my wife and I were not aware of his situation." He also wanted us to know that at the next annual business meeting, of the five men to be considered for the "Office of Deacon," three were divorced men whose divorced wives were still living and that two of those men would certainly be elected. The majority of the Deacon's Board would... then be ...divorced and remarried men whose divorced wives were still living. When I confronted their
Pastor, this
is what I was told: Over the past 35 years, many Pastors have said "to me" ... the following: **"Brother, if I preached Romans 7:2-4, "For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. [4] Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another--to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God." And 1 Corinthians 7:39, "A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord," as a hard and fast interpretation, I wouldn't have a church left." **"When I graduated from Seminary I didn't agree with divorce and remarriage while a divorced spouse was still alive..."but" the Church that called me had those folks as members." **"When I graduated from Seminary I didn't agree with divorce and remarriage while a divorced spouse was still alive..."but" all of the other men in my area [conference, denomination, association etc.] are doing it." **"When I graduated from Seminary I didn't agree with divorce/remarriage while a divorced spouse was still alive..."but" the members of my congregation told me over and over again that Dr. Herb Vanderlugt, Radio Bible Class, Dr. Charles Swindoll and Dr. James Dobson, Focus on the Family all teach that God's mercy and grace covers this." **A young, struggling Pastor said... "I'm just parroting what the others are saying." **An Associate Pastor of Christian Education of a large fundamental Baptist Church in Colorado made the following statement to my wife and I after asking me for a concise statement, summing up divorce and remarriage: "Brother, wouldn't it be nice if we could base our "policies" on the Word of God rather than "convenience?" Incredibly, realizing and acknowledging this sin, he remained as the Associate Pastor of Christian Education. *A pastor from Wisconsin wrote, "Brother, I preached the Word of God concerning the permanence and sanctity of marriage. From the Word of God I explained to my members that the vows "until death do us part" spoken at their weddings when they were married can not be dissolved until death. I read and preached to them that the "one flesh relationship" created by God in marriage cannot be dissolved until the death of a spouse. Later that week I was called before our denominational regional directors and told that if I didn't reconsider my position concerning this controversial subject ... they would consider the revocation of my "Ordination Certificate" as a Minister of the Word of God and my "Preacher's License". Please note: The following reason: "I made the decision to preach and feed my family" is -- BY FAR --.the most used excuse that I have heard from pastors, violating the clear Word of God. QUESTION: Are any of the above reasons given to me by pastors, BIBLICAL REASONS?
Many of these men are teaching that salvation covers this sin, and they do acknowledge that remarriage is a sin. BEWARE OF ANY MAN OR WOMAN who teach this position BECAUSE THEY are actually teaching that salvation:
QUESTION: Can you think of any other situation in life that -- because you now have become a Christian -- Pastors, radio ministers and evangelists will preach that the sinful activity that they are engaged in at the moment of their salvation is... no longer ...sinful? For example, the professional thief that continues to steal after his salvation(?) that -- his stealing no longer... sinful? How about the pedophiles -- is their preying on children no longer... sinful? Or the serial rapist -- is his activity of rape...no longer, sinful? How about the man who walks into the church service as a career Mafia, hit man -- he can continue killing for money and it is no longer... sinful? How about the businessman, the pastor, the secretary, the brick layer, the carpenter, the school teacher, the housewife, the door-to-door salesman, plumber etc. that is caught in an "adulterous relationship -- they can continue having sexual relationships with men and women... other than their spouse and -- it is no longer, sinful?" When these folks accept Jesus Christ as their Saviour are their adulterous activities no longer... adultery? They can continue in the activity of adultery? As the Church members in Rome, Italy and Corinth, Greece gathered to hear what their Pastors were going to read, they heard him read the following. Try to put yourself in the Churches in Rome by imagining going to your own church for worship and...when your Pastor stood to preach he said, "Members. I received the following letter from the Apostle Paul and he asked that I read it to you. I'll begin reading at Romans chapter 7, verse:1 and read through verse:4. "Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he lives? [2] For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he lives; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband lives, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God." The Church members and visitors at Corinth heard: "Members. I received the following letter from the Apostle Paul and he asked that I read it to you. I'll begin reading at I Corinthians 7:1 and read verse: 2. I will also read 1 Corinthians 7:11 and verse: 39. 1 Corinthians 7:1-2, "Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. [2] Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. [11] But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.[39] The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" You, like they, are a member of your church by confessing Jesus Christ as your Savior which was followed by believer's baptism and church membership: **Did being a confessed believer in Christ and a baptized member of the Church at Rome change what God said, through the Apostle Paul, that all people who are divorced and remarried while their divorced spouse was living is... adultery? Did being a confessed believer in Christ and a baptized member of the Church alter that fact? **By being a confessed believer in Christ and a baptized member of the Church and confessing before God and the Church that you agree with God that divorce and remarriage... while the divorced spouse is still living is adultery... "will that confession and agreement alter the fact that the divorced spouse is still living?" **By being a confessed believer in Christ and a baptized member of the Church and confessing before God and the Church that you agree with God that divorce and remarriage... while the divorced spouse is still living is adultery... "will that confession and agreement alter the fact that the marriage is still an adulterous marriage?" **Even though being a confessed believer in Christ and a baptized member of the Church, if the divorced spouse is still living after confessing before God and the Church that you agree with God that a divorced person is not to remarry while their divorced spouse is still... living ...what does the Word of God call that marriage? The correct answer is Romans 7:3, " So then if, while her husband lives, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress." Did your spouse die when those divorce papers were signed? If your spouse is still living -- just because you are a confessed believer and a member in good and regular standing in your Church -- does that change the message of the Word of God 1 Corinthians 7:39, "The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" Question: The same is true of 1 Corinthians chapter 7. Read 1 Corinthians chapter 5 and chapter 6 and you will discover that there is a continual theme that runs completely through these chapters -- warnings about sexual sins. And, because of the Roman and Grecian cultures promoted sexual sins, even as legitimate worship in their temples [male and female adult and children temple prostitutes], our God is warning the members of the Churches that sexual sins are not permitted by His Children or in the membership of His places of worship. 1 Corinthians chapter five calls sexual sins leaven and demands that those involved in sexual sin be removed from the membership of the Church. 1
Corinthians 5:11-13 The following verses from 1 Corinthians chapter six gives great detail as to why sexual sins are different from all other sins:
1 Corinthians 6:18-19 Previously in 1 Corinthians chapter 6 we learn about the seriousness of sexual sins: Notice God warns the-- church membership -- to "Be not deceived" 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, ""Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? ** Be not deceived:** neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. [11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." Notice verse 11 -- that some of the members in Corinth had all ready repented of and had previously stopped whatever sin or sins they were actively engaged in, "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." Others of the church had not repented and stopped their sinfulness -- thus the warning.
THIS
BRINGS US TO THE
QUESTION
OF ETERNAL
SECURITY 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Does the warning: "Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God," suggest that these confessed members of the church [including you and me] were going to lose their salvation. THE FOLLOWING
IS MY DEFINITION PLEASE
CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING EXAMPLE OF AN EVERY DAY Question, if you called me and said that you were just leaving Chicago and would be in Orlando, Florida in 18 hours and, after 18 hours had passed without hearing from you, I called you and asked, "where are you" and -- you said that you had just passed a road sign that read Denver, Colorado, 35 miles, are you really on your way to Orlando, Florida? Would I actually believe that you are on your way to Orlando, Florida? The facts and indicators of the road signs for the Christian life are no different. Here is the warning to the Church member : "Be not deceived." "fornicators
-- nor -- adulterers,
shall inherit the
kingdom of God." As a Church member you have told yourself and others that you are a "Born Again Christian." YET, as a Born Again Christian -- are living as though you are absolutely powerless to remove yourself from one of the listed sins? And
-- your reason for getting remarried and staying
remarried **When
I grew up I was taught that
remarriage was a sin. When I got married I
believed my **My
spouse was a
drunk [or abusive; a
lazy-good-for-nothing, etc.] so we got a
divorce. My **I'm a man and... I have needs you know. **I'm a woman and... I have needs you know. **I
have kids to
raise and it isn't fair that I should have to
raise them all by myself no matter what **I didn't want a divorce but he / she left me. I am not going to live alone. **My spouse was guilty of adultery so I got a divorce and remarried. **After
my divorce
I didn't know how I would survive. The
Lord brought a wonderful Christian **After
my divorce I met
a wonderful person. I was sure that my
Pastor wouldn't consider
Matthew
7:13-14 I'm sorry. You didn't "enter in at the strait gate. You were warned that wide was the gate, and broad was the way, that lead to destruction. You were also warned that many would try to get in by going that direction. Verse 14 Didn't I warn you and all others in my Word that "strait was the gate, and narrow was the way, which lead unto life, and very few would have the desire to find it?"
Matthew
7:15 (my
paraphrase) 1
Timothy 6:3-5 (my
paraphrase) And your were instructed to "withdraw yourself from those people?"
Matthew
7:21 Matthew
7:22 Matthew
7:23
QUESTIONS 1-
IF
WE LACK THE COURAGE TO OBEY HIS WORD AND ACT UPON
HIS Note:
Elsewhere on his page I have said this isn't about a "works
salvation" doctrine,
(B) What must the divorced and remarried whose divorced spouse is still living -- do? * Concerning Church membership, they cannot be members of a local church: Romans 7:1-4, Mark 10:7-12, Luke 16:18 and Matthew 5:32, call these marriages adulterous. I Corinthians 7:39 only permits remarriage after the spouse of one's vows has died. Because the Word of God declares such marriages to be adulterous,1 Corinthians 5:11-13 instructs the Christian church that adulterous individuals can not be in the fellowship of the local Church. The 21 century Christian Church approach and ministry to the divorced and remarried is no different than our ministry to any other Christian locked in any sinful lifestyle: Isaiah
1:18a,-19, Acts
3:19, The remarriage dilemma of our twentieth century Christian Church is PARALLEL to, and can be resolved in , and please note that I am saying almost, the same way that the Hebrew men and Priest's sons of the Old Testament resolved their dilemma. Our Lord's instructions found in Ezra chapter 10:1-18a, 44 is our pattern and -- , and please note that I am saying similar, practice for the divorced and remarried in today's Christian church. Ezra represents the harshness of the law, "divorce and send away the spouse and the children without regard for the welfare of the wife and children." This isn't New Testament grace. It is my conviction, based upon the Word of God, i.e. the apostle Paul was a murderer and was not stoned; Matthew, he was a thief as a tax collector and wasn't jailed, that the Lord has privileged the New Testament Church with an EXTRA DEGREE OF MERCY AND GRACE that He did not always extend to the Old Testament men and priests in Ezra's day. It is my conviction when a person marries outside the will of God and then recognizes their remarriage while a divorced spouse is still living is a sin and (1) confesses to Christ their sin and thanks Him for His forgiveness, 1 John 1:9 (2) repents of that sin, (3) reconciles to the Word of God and (4) keep all of their marriage vows to their spouse and children with respect to: **providing
financially for them, With
two exceptions, as Christians, we can honor every
aspect of our vows except: In this area of our Christian experience, God's command to Ezra has a much greater degree of harshness (the law) than we experience today under saving grace. The Pastor's and Church responsibility to the divorced and remarried is to teach them the truth and let them decide to obey or disobey. This discipleship begins immediately (and discretely) upon their first visit to the Church. Pastors have the God given responsibility to protect their flock Acts 20:28-31. These folks must immediately be made aware that their marriage is not acceptable in the Word of God and they must demonstrate a willingness to be discipled - privately - at their home or in the Pastor's study - away from the normal fellowship, worship and preaching services. As with any other publicly known sinful practice or lifestyle, the choice is theirs. If they decide that God's doctrine is not suitable to their understanding and they are unwilling to be discipled, consider repentance and take the steps necessary to restore obedience to the Word of God: "they can not attend,
fellowship, worship or be involved in
that local Church." Where does reconciliation to the Word of God begin? I am going to start this point with some questions: How many of our US service men and women in our armed forces are separated from those they love the most, their wife and their children? Do they still provide for them? Though they are thousands of miles away, do they make the necessary arrangements to assure their families safety? And Christian, how many missionaries go for months and even years to mission fields leaving their wife and children behind? Do they provide for them and make the necessary arrangements to assure their families of their safety. Are
they able to keep all of their vows with
exception's) of It is the cost of obedience as a service man or woman and missionaries. All personal family members and friends pay the price for their obedience. Love provides! Love isn't just -- "I'm a man and I have needs" or "I'm a woman and I have needs." Romans 7:3, "So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man." When the God wrote these words using the pen of
the Apostle Paul, He told the Church and the
Christian community world wide and for all
eternity two major truths: Under the law, Ezra told the sons of the Priests and all Israel that the men that married women against the direct commands of God, women of other nations and religions, to not only divorce their wives but -- to satisfy God's commands -- these men were commanded to send their wives and -- all of their children (their sons and daughters) back to their wife's families and nations. Under the law there was no opportunity to care for and protect their wives and their children. That was the harshness of the law and the price of obedience to the God of their salvation. There has never been a God ordained easy believism or painless repentance. When we stand before God and man and make our marriage vows, we don't just vow to have and to hold. Today's Church is treating marriage as though it is for sex and only sex. The TV networks are preaching it, our husbands, wives and Pastors are talking and behaving that way. If Christian marriage -- any marriage -- has become "just creature comforts and warm fuzzes between the sheets" -- and that's all that marriage is -- it's no wonder that marriages are falling apart. Someone in the relationship has got to feel very -- very, cheap. Love and marriage is a total commitment of care and keeping. I said at the very beginning of this section that my wife and I have talked to and counseled the divorced and remarried for over 40 years. It's interesting to us that the Lord used us with "crisis marriage" couples, some of these folks were almost old enough to be our parents, when we were in our early years of marriage and a very long time before I was ordained as a Minister of the Word of God. In all of these years only a handful of people have said that they didn't have serious misgivings about remarriage. The vast majority have said that they really believed that remarriage was "wrong and sinful" yet -- they remarried anyway. In other words, "remarriage is worth God's spanking." If you are a Truly Born Again Believer in Jesus Christ, you know that any and all blatant disobedience has a very high personal cost i.e. murder and go to jail or even be executed. This sinful remarriage has a particularly high and personal cost that always involves many others than just the original man and woman. To repent of the sin of "divorce and remarriage” while the spouse of the first vow is yet living means "getting a divorce" from your present spouse. There is no other alternative other than foolishly hoping to outlive your present spouse in order to "avoid God's punishment and not go to hell?" Get a divorce? Yes. There can be no more "we're married" and no more "sexual activity". I can already hear someone laugh and scornfully ask, "Pastor K. Didn't you say that God hates divorce? Malachi 2:16 Yes, He hates divorce and yes, I previously said that. QUESTION: Why would I tell married individuals to do what God hates? 1-
The very act of the remarriage when a divorced
spouse is yet living [not the sexual activity]
Romans
7:3a " So then if, while her
husband lives, she marries
another man, she will be called an 2- Because the "marriage" created the adulterous relationship the marriage must be dissolved.
3-
Nowhere
in the Word of God does God / Jesus Christ
teach or imply that divorced people will not QUESTION: Why would the divorced that remain divorced inherit heaven? ANSWER:
God the Father presently dwells in the
Kingdom of Heaven and -- He is a divorced
I will repeat, "If you are a Truly Born Again Believer in Jesus Christ, you know that any and all blatant disobedience has a very high personal cost i.e. murder and go to jail or even be executed. This sinful remarriage has a particularly high and personal cost..." *Getting
a divorce to satisfy the cost of obedient
discipleship is very painful and expensive; I'VE BEEN ASKED THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS MANY TIMES: *Is
it possible to dissolve a marriage (be divorced)
and still live under the same roof? MY
FIRST CONCERN IS: MY
SECOND CONCERN IS: MY
THIRD CONCERN IS: I'm going to quote the King James Version in the following verses because I believe it better translates the contextual meaning (in agreement with the other verses) for verse:22:
*Being
absent in body yet providing for the necessities
and safety of wife / husband and children All
of the above is -- doable because true
love never fails: Notice that love doesn't rejoice in unrighteousness. Is adultery unrighteous? Because you are a truly "Born Again Christian" wouldn't your spouse expect to hear from you, "I love you so much that I don't want to jeopardize your relationship with our Lord. I certainly don't want to jeopardize your Eternality!" Isn't that what love would believe, say and do? I wouldn't (and you wouldn't either) expect an unsaved or the "self interested" individual to be concerned about their spouse's relationship with the Lord or their Eternality because love is absent in their lives and thinking. Because love never fails, why wouldn't two folks that love one another deeply do everything necessary for the one they love "including sexual abstinence," pay the bills, provide for every and all needs i.e. groceries, clothing, housing, go to ball games, concerts, social activities etc.? And, as for the necessary dissolution / divorce, why on this earth should that be an adversarial, event? Two Truly Born Again Christians who love each other and are in total agreement certainly have no need to be adversarial. This is a time for Christian testimony to everyone. The Church and the community needs that desperately.
The problem at that time and YET remains: What is the solution for Biblical discipline? The reconciliation process concerning this sin of adultery is no different than any other sin. Encourage the couple to get the divorce (Ezra Chapter 10) dissolving the legality of the "Marriage" and "stop the sexual intimacy." When they do -- wrap your arms around them, welcome them back into the family and Church and encourage by helping them any way possible emotionally, physically, financially etc.!!!!!!!! They have overwhelming hurdles i.e. financial, housing, child care etc. As a Christian family and community we can and must help. We may be tempted to say "we warned them before they did this, we warned them concerning the consequences, they've made their own bed and now the can sleep in it." This attitude isn't even Christian. We must forgive as Christ has forgiven us: Matthew
6:14-15 you. [15] "But if you do not forgive men, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions."
Because love never fails: Because Christians do not rejoice in sin or sinful circumstances, we have the responsibility to be fully supportive of family members i.e. son, daughter, mom, dad, brother, sister etc. who genuinely repent of their adulterous marriage, dissolve / divorce and begin to pick up the shattered pieces of their lives (plural due to spouse, children etc.). We are required of the lord to do all within our power to help them spiritually, emotionally, and financially etc. If we do not encourage and help, Satan will get the upper hand and destroy them!!! 2 Corinthians. 2:6-11 "Sufficient for such a one is this punishment which was inflicted by the majority, [7] so that on the contrary you should rather forgive and comfort him, lest somehow such a one be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. [8] Wherefore I urge you to reaffirm your love for him. [9] For to this end also I wrote that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things. [10] But whom you forgive anything, I forgive also; for indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes in the presence of Christ, [11] in order that no advantage be taken of us by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his schemes." As a young man growing up in the Church I witnessed the Church leadership and membership exercising Biblical discipline by not allowing the divorced and remarried into membership and publicly censuring these folks according to: 1 Corinthians. 5:11, 13, "But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he should be an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-- not even to eat with such a one. [13] But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves." [and Church families were correct in doing this] THE PROBLEM OF THE 19th., 20Tth. AND NOW THE 21st. CENTURY CHURCH FAMILY DISCIPLINE WAS AND IS, they exercised church discipline / exclusion without remedy. Discipline without remedy is not "God's discipline." Godly discipline always has as its goal, REPENTANCE WITH RECONCILIATION to God and man. To continue to fellowship with adulterous family members without demanding their repentance is to encourage them in their sin and ultimately sharing in that sin. Isaiah
5:20-21 I repeat, "to continue to fellowship with adulterous family members without demanding their repentance is to encourage them in their sin and ultimately sharing in that sin". To demand their repentance is painful because God demands that we break fellowship with them UNTIL they repent and began to take the steps of obedience at which point we do everything humanly possible to help them pick up the pieces of their shattered lives. We also have the same responsibilities to our friends.
BECAUSE
WE ARE UNDER GRACE THE OBEDIENT DIVORCED COUPLE WOULD BE EXPECTED TO:
*Regularly visit your family. THE OBEDIENT COUPLE can provide everything that 1 Corinthians chapter 13 commands of love relationships even -- the witness that love never "gives place to the devil" (Ephesians 4:27). If sexual desire and temptation is too great then it is your responsibility to provide all of the above from a -- safe distance. The service men and women of our armed forces are required to (it's the cost of obedient service) as do many of our missionaries. If you're numbered among the vast majority that said they really believed remarriage was "wrong / sin" yet -- remarried anyway, THIS your spanking. PROBLEM: "You're not alone, are you?" Question, is your remarriage really -- worth God's spanking? Any and all blatant disobedience has a very high, personal cost and this sin has a particularly high personal cost that usually involves many more than just the original man and woman / husband and wife. are there -- in your personal situation? Do you wish you had reconsidered your decision? The bottom line is obedience to our Saviour -- not creature comforts. When we accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior we promised Him obedience. The only decision that we will ever make after becoming a "Born Again Christian" is, obedience or disobedience. Yes, Lord or -- No, Lord BECAUSE
WE ARE UNDER GRACE THE OBEDIENT DIVORCED COUPLE WOULD BE EXPECTED TO:
*Regularly visit your family. THE OBEDIENT COUPLE can provide everything that 1 Corinthians chapter 13 commands of love relationships even -- the witness that love never "gives place to the devil" (Ephesians 4:27). If sexual desire and temptation is too great then it is your responsibility to provide all of the above from a -- safe distance. The service men and women of our armed forces are required to (it's the cost of obedient service) as do many of our missionaries. If you're numbered among the vast majority that said they really believed remarriage was "wrong / sin" yet -- remarried anyway, THIS your spanking. PROBLEM: "You're not alone, are you?" Question, is your remarriage really -- worth God's spanking? Any and all blatant disobedience has a very high, personal cost and this sin has a particularly high personal cost that usually involves many more than just the original man and woman / husband and wife. are there -- in your personal situation?
C- What is the obedient couples God ordained ministry?
Is your eternity and that of others is hanging in your balance? The Word of God teaches that no adulterer will enter into the kingdom of God. Eternal security is -- you can not lose what you have never possessed. The Word of God teaches that the truly Born Again Believer has the power and witness within himself, the very power of the Godhead, to make the hard decisions, carry them out into life and live them before all mankind. What is you answer to Jesus Christ?
Matthew
24:35
Updated 4:20 PM, September 9,2011 I've just finished a phone conversation with a local pastor with a large membership. I asked him a question concerning the eligibility for Church leadership and membership regarding the divorced and remarried individuals who had a living divorced spouse. He said that his ministry had these folks as members. I "politely" asked if he had a single verse of Scripture permitting their membership. Without hesitation he answered:
"If
you're going to hold us to that standard This pastor cannot show you or me a single verse of
Scripture out of
I believe that our world is asking the same question
Please be advised, Rev. Robert J. Kuiphoff is an Ordained Minister of the Word of God and is not a licensed Psychologist, Psychiatrist or Medical Physician. Any and all counsel, suggestions and / or advice derived from www.goldenfaithbiblechurch.org, via email or telephone is based solely upon Rev. Robert J. Kuiphoff's personal convictions concerning the Word of God; his personal interpretation of the Word of God and his lengthy experience counseling and advising men, women and children concerning the Christian Life and daily walk in the world that we all live in. |
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